Open 556: Fire and Ice (Over)

[Tr1ckster]

What does that mean?

It means his arguments are scummy as all get out, he's not making sense, he's not working with town, he's working against it, he's not considering possibilities, he's tunneling super hard, he's set on his beliefs and he won't change them, he's reactive, he's not understanding what's going on, he's defensive and aggressive and too emotional. He's being a loose cannon and he's scum.

Or, if you want a better description, read the character "Hanzo_5" from Mewbie 1477

[BoroPhil]

give me examples of each of those please Tricky.

[BoroPhil]

and by calling me a loose cannon I think you betray the fact you know I am town.

[Tr1ckster]

give me examples of each of those please Tricky.

I rest my case.

and by calling me a loose cannon I think you betray the fact you know I am town.

You can be a loose cannon to your scum team as well. Hanzo was.

[tman2nd]

So, there's a lot to sort out right now. Right now, I'm going to read each player carefully one at a time.

1. Not_Mafia
2. randomidget
3. The_Ascended (hydra of Paschendale and Mastin2)
4. idk
5. YurikoJasmine
6. Moonlight
7. Tr1ckster
8. 4 Heads of Insanity

9. tman2nd

10. Finglove
11. Baezu
12. BoroPhil
13. Zephyrus

random.org says:

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So, I'll start with 4 heads. I feel like I should unvote them first.

UNVOTE:

I think there were some questions asked of me that I have not responded to. Please re-ask them if you want them answered right now.

[Moonlight]

It was a speculation that Baezu did a 180 when her original FOS was trick. I asked a question on what everyone else thought in that same statement.

I haven't voted for Baezu because I see no reason in voting her because she voted me.

You called her scum, so I thought you were scumreading her. If you believe she is scum, why does her vote matter?

@Tricks: I know what you mean. I disagree with every one of his scumreads and I'm not sure why I refrain from scumreading him. I predict he will be one of the last players I'll have a good read on, I just don't get him. =/ I agree with you that his play is anti-Town, but that's probably not the way he sees it.

Any change in your read on Zeph? I don't like how he avoids to vote someone he just called scum.

PEdit: Did Boro townslip? Scum don't know who is Town in this setup.

[BoroPhil]

give me examples of each of those please Tricky.

I rest my case.

and by calling me a loose cannon I think you betray the fact you know I am town.

You can be a loose cannon to your scum team as well. Hanzo was.

you mean you can't give examples?

[BoroPhil]

I really don't see how I'm being anti-town? I seem to be the only one prepared to challenge Tricky, whereas the rest of you are happy to go along with his bullshit.

If that is anti-town, so be it.

[Zephyrus]

I like Boro's FOS, although might be bad since it looks like I'm buddying up with him

Trick - has town motives but trying to lead town too hard. Town for now
Boro - I like how he thinks, town for now as well
The Ascent - town as well
NM - Null
Idk - Null
Baezu - voted because I voted 4 head on no grounds, scum
Moonlight - voted to get a piece of the wagon, scum
4 heads - Leaning towards scum because of how he reacted when I voted for him. More than he should have if he was town. Trying to get a traction for a wagon.

Whoever else isn't on this list, start playing >.>

[Zephyrus]

I like Boro's FOS, although might be bad since it looks like I'm buddying up with him

Trick - has town motives but trying to lead town too hard. Town for now
Boro - I like how he thinks, town for now as well
The Ascent - town as well
NM - Null
Idk - Null
Baezu - voted because I voted 4 head on no grounds, scum
Moonlight - voted to get a piece of the wagon, scum
4 heads - Leaning towards scum because of how he reacted when I voted for him. More than he should have if he was town. Trying to get a traction for a wagon.

Whoever else isn't on this list, start playing >.>

[Not_Mafia]

give me examples of each of those please Tricky.

I rest my case.

I don't see how someone asking you to substantiate your scumread on them "rests your case"

[Zephyrus]

Ahh sorry for repeated post, refresh messed up

[Tr1ckster]

you mean you can't give examples?

I mean it would be a massive waste of time.

I don't like Zeph's OMGUS behavior.

FoS Zeph

Moon, I don't think he did. I've seen scum do the same thing time and time again.

I really don't like the "too townie" argument against me and Moon.

[Moonlight]

I really don't see how I'm being anti-town? I seem to be the only one prepared to challenge Tricky, whereas the rest of you are happy to go along with his bullshit.

If that is anti-town, so be it.

"The rest of you". That is my problem with your play. You don't group yourself with "the rest of us". It's you vs the world. If you're Town, you're not alone, there are 8 players that share your alignment, so why are you ignoring them? Why do you assume that everyone else is wrong about Tricks? Why can't you be wrong?

I see Town vs Town in you and Tricks, mostly because I believe you townslipped there and because I see a subtle difference between the play Tricks refers to and your play in this game.

I believe you were scumreading Tricks in Baezu's game before he claimed. Am I wrong?

@Tricks: Hanzo was looking for the easy lynch with you. Boro is not doing that, there are juicier targets right now *points at Zeph*, and yet he continues to go after you.

PEdit: Zeph, why the fuck do you care about how you look? o_o

[BoroPhil]

I mean, wtf?

Moonlight, take your head out of Tricky's arse, step back, and actually try and look objectively at what he is posting?

Leaving all of the other stuff aside from the start, he has now misrepped me and now is voting for me with reasons he can't substantiate and his only responses are 'rest my case' and 'oh it would be a waste of time'. how covenient!

[Zephyrus]

And you don't see Baezu's vote as OMGUS?

[Not_Mafia]

@Trickster I really don't consider it a waste of time to actually substantiate your scumread. And yours and Moonlight's circle jerk is starting to become really tiresome

[BoroPhil]

Tbf, 'rest of you' was wrong because it doesn't apply to all.

[Moonlight]

@Boro: I do not believe in the existence of objectivity.

@NM: I don't care if you're tired.

@Zeph: No, I do not. And you're scumreading me? After having seen my previous game? It's on.

@Tricks: If you're townreading me, please ignore Boro for now. We'll sort him out later. Zeph has just fucked up big time the way I see it.

[Zephyrus]

Pretty sure the last game, Moon, you got yourself mod killed when you tried a wagon on me C:

[Tr1ckster]

@Moon

I don't think that was a townslip... I've done that as scum and I've seen it done several times as well.

And Hanzo looked at one point... but there were times when there were easier lynches than myself and he ignored them. Boro might just be misreading the thread and assuming there are a lot of people willing to vote for me when there aren't.

@Zeph

No, Baezu's vote was .. well.. she made an effort to back it up with things. Yours doesn't seem to be really backed up at all..

@NM

>.< Did you really just ask me to substantiate a case on Boro? O_o I believe I already stated several times why I think he's scum.

@Moon

Alright.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zephyrus

And this is slightly off-topic.. but I think objectivity exists, just not in humanity. I agree with you on everything else, though.

[Moonlight]

Not going to happen now. And that was a low blow.

@Boro: I promise you that if Zeph flips scum, I'm seriously going to consider Tricks as a probable buddy of his. And I am scumreading Zeph right now.

@Tricks: Thank you. :3

[BoroPhil]

'oh Moon, I agree with you on everything else"

my god.

[Not_Mafia]

@Moonlight That was a bit flippant of me sorry, however it's not productive to have you two conf biasing and constantly congratulating each other in a circle, if one of you is town and one of you is scum it can become fatal late game.

I haven't voted for Baezu because I see no reason in voting her because she voted me.

However, having just ISO'd Zephy, this post slipped me by. This is way too self conscious to have come from town, if you're town, why would Baezu's voting you affect your desire to vote them?

VOTE: Zephy

[BoroPhil]

I believe you were scumreading Tricks in Baezu's game before he claimed. Am I wrong?

yes, you are. I'd posted once.