Open 556: Fire and Ice (Over)

[BoroPhil]

reads so far

Baezu
Not_Mafia
BoroPhil
randomidget/Moonlight
Moonlight/randomidget (about equally on the town half)
4 Heads of Insanity (honestly, about equal to them, too)
YurikoJasmine
Finglove
Zephyrus
tman2nd
idk
Tr1ckster

Something like this. But it doesn't feel right. Best I have right now, off of my casual catch-up. I'll need to do more later.

*thinks about mastin's rambling stuff*

Spoiler: His thoughts

I suppose how I'm being perceived would matter to me if it was by someone I consider important. The community as a whole is not something I consider important enough, not yet at least. Maybe that'll change, but for the moment I can put myself in those shoes by imagining myself not meeting the expectations of someone whose play I look up to.

My own reads are similar...ish.

10 -
9 -
8 - The_Ascended
7 - NM & Boro
6 - Baezu
5 - 4 Heads & midget
4 - Finglove & tman
3 - idk & Jasmine
2 - Zeph
1 - Tricks
0 -

0 = Lynch this no matter what, 10 = Never, ever, ever lynch this, 1-9 = Everything in-between.

Strange. I usually have a 9 by this point and don't have that many people below 5. Lurking in this one makes me more uneasy than usual too.

Zeph's last post puzzles me. I can't tell if it's distancing or if these two can't be scum together (because who would notice their buddy's posts so late?).

My reads list, from town to scum:

Leaning town: Not_Mafia, Moonlight

Weak lean town: Boro, Baezu

Null: 4 Heads, The_Ascended (I find hydras pretty hard to read, but nothing in their posts has particularly alarmed me yet)

Leaning scum: idk (lurking), randommidget (lack of conviction in scumhunting), Yuriko (lurking, even taking V/LA into consideration)

Scumreads: Zephyrus, Tr1ckster (see previous post)

(Replacing out: tman2nd)

My reads list is (from towniest to scummiest):

The ascended
Moonlight
Borophil
NotMafia
Fin glove
4heads
Tman
Idk
Jasmine
Midget
Zeph
Tricks

Minor correction*

Zephyrus
BoroPhil
Not Mafia
idk
RandomMidget
Tr1ckster
tman2nd
Finglove
Moonlight
YurikoJasmine
The_Ascended
4 Heads of Insanity
Baezu

[BoroPhil]

Baezu seems to be pretty hard to read. Top of one list, bottom of another and in a middle in another.

General consensus that Not and myself are town

Baezu misses random out. Is this significant? Otherwise, random ends up in the middle generally

Tricky, idk and to a lesser extent tman tend to be seen as scummy. except for Zeph.

In fact, Zeph's reads are way off everyone elses

[BoroPhil]

As for me, I think I am:

Not
Ascended
Finglove
Moonlight
Random
tman
Zeph
Yuriko
Baezu
4heads
idk
Tricky

[BoroPhil]

and in fact random is in Baezu's list, so ignore that

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Tr1ckster (5) - BoroPhil, Moonlight, Baezu, 4 Heads of Insanity, Finglove
YurikoJasmine (1) - idk
BoroPhil (1) - Tr1ckster
Finglove (1) - YurikoJasmine
Zephyrus (1) - Not_Mafia

Not Voting (4) - Zephyrus, tman2nd, The_Ascended, randomidget

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is May 22nd, 8PM PST

tman2nd is being replaced

[Moonlight]

Looks like we'll also need a replacement for 4 Heads unless they post in the next 5 hours. =/

[BoroPhil]

quite odd really, they came in quite aggressively and seemed quite keen on the game, then just disappeared.

[The_Ascended]

I find Zeph's deviations from the more agreed-upon town and scum reads very interesting. Most of us put NM, Boro, and Baezu near the top. Also us and Moonlight. Zeph puts us, Baezu, and Moonlight at the bottom. No idea why he thinks we and Moonlight are scummy. Meanwhile, almost everyone puts Midget, IDK, and Trickster near the bottom. Zeph has them much closer to the top. The others seem to be a generally null bloc. Zeph's read list is (with the exception of Boro and NM), a complete reversal of the prevailing wisdom.

Zeph, you have a lot of explanations to put forth here. What is it that you think the rest of us are missing on so many players?

[BoroPhil]

it almost makes him seem more town to me. If he was scum, wouldn't he be trying to make his reads more like the norm?

[Moonlight]

I would agree with Boro if Zeph did this without being asked first and if he coupled that list with a vote, and that's not the case.

He ignored both NM and me and even implied my questions to him are useless. He is being impossible to work with and I want to believe he's doing that on purpose, because the alternative is that he is a Townie who only cares about surviving instead of catching scum. I'll never want to believe that about anyone.

[Not_Mafia]

If he can actually show a proper thought process behind his reads then that's what we'll discuss, the placement is secondary to how he arrived at that conclusion

[BoroPhil]

I agree, it would be nice to have some narrative next to the reads. and that applies to everyone. I know it's a bit of a chore sometimes but it really does help and I always find it is a great way to distinguish town from scum.

[The_Ascended]

I didn't say it made him scum. I said he needs to explain those reads.

[Not_Mafia]

The bigger (the actual?) problem is, the other people who have done those ranked list things, have been actively posting and offering their thoughts throughout the game, Zeph has not. So to just plop a reads list in to the thread that runs so contrary to the others with no explanation other than on Baezu and to an extent Trickster, is suspect.

[Tr1ckster]

Oh gees.

I shouldn't even look at this game...

The play here is making me even sicker.

UNVOTE:

It's too much, Moon. I want to have you as town... but so much of your play adds up to your being scum.

VOTE: Moon

Props, though. You did a very good job so far.

More on this later.

[Moonlight]

I saw that coming. If only the progression of your read on me felt natural, you could actually hope you can mislynch me.

Problem is, it's not natural. You've gone from "after I die, treat Moon as confTown" to "Moon is scum" based on what? Me not believing that the rest of this Town needs my help to find scum after your flip.

You've disappointed me. =/ I was looking forward to seeing what you'd do and this is just weak.

[Moonlight]

Also, have fun providing reasoning as to how I would taunt the other team to shoot me if I was scum.

[Moonlight]

Let me make this clear: as scum, what my instincts push me towards is control. I assume that's something most of you should be able to relate to. I'd need to feel I'm a puppeteer, deceiving the Town into doing what I want.

Taunting for a NK is something that goes against my instinct. I'd be pushing towards something I have zero control over, because I wouldn't control the doctor or the other team's NK and it would be impossible for me to do unless I evolved as a player.

Tricks' vote is extremely flattering to me right now. xD

[Randomnamechange]

I wish we could lynch both you and Tricks at the same time. Meanwhile, you should be considering me for a NK, because I won't rest until you're lynched with how you've been playing. And keep in mind that both teams might shoot me, resulting in me staying alive instead.

Good luck WIFOMing yourselves, scumfucks.

Calm down Moonlight.

If NM and Moon feel we can't get anymore out of this day (cuz of lack of activity and whatnot) we could just end it early. I'm kind of feeling like it's stalled and we need a flip to get it going again

This doesn't ring right. Why does it only matter if Moon and NM don't fell we can get anything out of the day?

I find Zeph's deviations from the more agreed-upon town and scum reads very interesting. Most of us put NM, Boro, and Baezu near the top. Also us and Moonlight. Zeph puts us, Baezu, and Moonlight at the bottom. No idea why he thinks we and Moonlight are scummy. Meanwhile, almost everyone puts Midget, IDK, and Trickster near the bottom.?

The majority of players have me in their top half.

Also, have fun providing reasoning as to how I would taunt the other team to shoot me if I was scum.

Because you were hoping to WIFOM them out of killing you in the belief that the other scum would also shoot you.

[Moonlight]

^ "Hope". I don't rely on "hope" as scum for no reason, but that's something only I know.

I'm very curious to see Tricks' reasoning behind his scumread on me. If he is somehow Town, his refusal to work with anyone is something completely new and a massive degrade to his Town play, so I can't see him as Town in this one.

midget and Finglove look townier with their latest posts, by the way.

[Moonlight]

So where are you Tricks? What was it that triggered your bite after all your barking? Me calling you a scumfuck? Or waiting for the inactive ones to speak up before ending the day? Is your buddy among them?

Come out, you manipulative shit and answer me. Tell me why I'm scum and how the fuck you can have an issue with me "not doing any scumhunting" while all you do is cry about how you're not scum, evading questions and not doing any scumhunting yourself.

[Moonlight]

I'm currently fluctuating between anger and disbelief. He has the cheek to call me scum. Him, me. In this game.

I'm considering taking my vote off to hammer him later, just so I can enjoy the red text that will accompany his username during the flip even more. -_-

[Moonlight]

@MOD:

Requesting a prod for YurikoJasmine.

[4 Heads of Insanity]

Apologies. Been working hard on school so I can pass this semester P: I'm still here though. Reading.

[BoroPhil]

is there any chance that Moon and Tricky are on the same team? That would actually be hilarious.