Scumhunt inside the VT claims? Seems like the obvious answer. If you're town there's a lot of interactions you can read inside of between BBT-Mala and BBT-Xay, surely you could put forward a case on one of the combinations of those and try and convince me to lynch the VT claim that you think is scum?In post 1248, Moratorium wrote:I just don't know how to proceed right now.
well, i've been put in a similar situation, and I only cced late in the dayIn post 1234, Malakittens wrote:I'm not ruling anything out, but why didn't BBT CC right in the beginning?
there are things that people should say in lyloIn post 1235, Malakittens wrote:IM NOT SCUM THOUGH. Holy living fuck stop because if I'm lynched today town loses.
"holy shit my partner is screwing up i'll just go all out with this shit"In post 1237, Malakittens wrote:Good god if we do end up lynching the Rb'r please cop me so I can confirm myself inno, Ty.
But if he's confscum, why are you not pushing for him as well? Just because our conftown is looking to lynch between Mala and myself doesn't mean you stop generating content with your confscum.In post 1238, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'd rather lynch Mora as it's a conf. scum for me, but Regfan has suggested he is more willing to lynch outside of the doctor claims so that leaves me with you.
I was always counter-claiming after stating I did not believe your claim. That much was obvious, I already explained why I left it a little later.In post 1254, Moratorium wrote:I'll play to my win condition, but I need to think about how better to explain this. There's a combination of events that just occurred in quick succession, and in my head I'm trying to sort out three-way, but I really didn't expect Reg to basically say "oh that? that could have been <newbie condition 614>"... "oh, this? that could have been <newbie condition 1218>".... and explain everything away and give it all no merit.
1) The CC was late, and only offered once it was plain that only a CC could save the scumteam. There's even some hesitation here which to me read as BBT asking for advice from his partner on whether to claim/whom should claim.
2) BBT scum-confirmed himself by accident. "You can put a line through Mala and myself as well." The important part here is where he presumes that Malakittens/Xayzeck isn't a possibility.
3) BBT lies about his role PM, stating that the PM says he can self-protect, which it doesn't. Which he didn't know, because he didn't realize (or had forgotten) the PM's were quoted in the OP.
4) BBT states that he self-protected, which isn't possible. How many newbie doctors *wouldn't* go look at the wiki or ask the mod to know if self-protection is allowed here?
5) Bulk without content.
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I mean, that's a lot to ignore. Isn't it a lot to ignore? If I was the claimed confirmed cop in this game, and I was presented with just point #3, I and I'm sure 99% of this site would be done with this lynch.
Because we need 3 votes for a lynch. If Regfan is not willing to lynch my conf. scum, then I have to go to my second choice.In post 1255, Xayzeck wrote:But if he's confscum, why are you not pushing for him as well? Just because our conftown is looking to lynch between Mala and myself doesn't mean you stop generating content with your confscum.In post 1238, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'd rather lynch Mora as it's a conf. scum for me, but Regfan has suggested he is more willing to lynch outside of the doctor claims so that leaves me with you.
But that's what i'm saying.. there comes a point where if you just "explain" several points away, with explanations that aren't 100%, the statistical error becomes so overwhelming that you can't possibly just state that it's all just explainable.In post 1258, Regfan wrote:Mora, you can say I'm "Ignoring it and passing it all of as nothing" all you want. It's not the case, I'm explaining the bits I get and stating the bits where I feel your logic is faulty and also stating the bits that I have an issue with. I also "haven't done the lynch already yet" because I like I've said several times already today am planning on re-reading the whole thread tomorrow and contemplating lynching inside the VT claims first for a chance at autowin since that's where I believe the roleblocker to be (And heck your unvote on BBT shows that you're considering that too) so if you're town help in that.
1) It was pretty obvious that he was always CC'ing you, the fact that he was FoSing you and calling your motives to be manipulative suggested that right away so it wasn't a "claim only when it can save the scum team" situation at all. 2) I've explained this, you've ignored it. She was always cc'ing you therefore Mala/Xay was never possible to him in the first place so that entire area is objectively not a scum slip. 3) This, this is the only one you have a point on. 4) Eh, like I said I've seen it happen several times off-site and a few on-site so the act of "trying to self-save" is not a scum-tell alone.
I don't think this has anything to do with anything? Rather, lynching in the VTs makes more sense.In post 1264, Moratorium wrote:And I still don't think lynching in the VT claims is the way to go. It's lylo.
Hey, look at that, the cleverness.In post 1263, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I didn't check anything. I just stated what I thought I remembered/had read, I obviously worded my post pretty badly though.
A lot of what I have said lately is being mis-represented/mis-interpreted and there isn't a whole lot I can do about it.
I made a mistake.
panic and pressure are pretty good reasons. kinda like flailing, where you would grab on to anything just to make yourself look more believableIn post 1266, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Just think about it for a second.
If I was lying, why would I not check to make sure what I was posting was the truth? I'm much more likely to make that mistake through telling the truth in an off the cuff manner.
It's an argument between lynching the most likely target, and trying for an RB, which isn't actually necessary to win this game, and loses it if we're wrong. And, of course, the RB could simply be hiding in plain sight with 200+ posts, just like I did as the doctor with 200+ posts, rendering an RB hunt futile.In post 1267, Xayzeck wrote:I don't think this has anything to do with anything? Rather, lynching in the VTs makes more sense.In post 1264, Moratorium wrote:And I still don't think lynching in the VT claims is the way to go. It's lylo.
There are some explanations that are pretty blatantly true though like 1) BBT was always CC'ing you as doc the second he FoS'ed you after you'd claimed doc, either he's town and cc's or he's scum and can't FoS a clear and therefore locks himself into claiming doctor which makes 2) The entire "Xay/Mala" scum-team ruling out ect. ect. completely irrelevant and not a scum tell since the list you made was never relevant to him so you pushing those as scum-tells won't go anywhere.In post 1264, Moratorium wrote:But that's what i'm saying.. there comes a point where if you just "explain" several points away, with explanations that aren't 100%, the statistical error becomes so overwhelming that you can't possibly just state that it's all just explainable.
It's more a case of I think the scum roleblocker would be less inclined to take the risk of claiming doctor and therefore I think the roleblocker is left within the VTs, that means lynching inside the VTs is what'll give us a better chance of getting autowin. So either make an argument to me that BBT cc'ed you as doctor as the roleblocker or work on figuring out which of the VT claims is his partner if you're town, just complaining "Oh how can you not see how scum he is, anyone else would have got this by now!" is not going to do anything for me at all, especially since you, yes you hammered yesterday before anyone got a chance to assess any of F-16s content and if I was given that opportunity I'd have likely pulled the lynch of him and we'd be in a very different and likely much better situation right now.In post 1264, Moratorium wrote:And I still don't think lynching in the VT claims is the way to go. It's lylo. But I guess that's FMPOV, you apparently think the gap between Xala/Mala is less than the one between me and BBT. Which is absurd to me.
That's fair.In post 1272, Regfan wrote:So either make an argument to me that BBT cc'ed you as doctor as the roleblocker or work on figuring out which of the VT claims is his partner if you're town, just complaining "Oh how can you not see how scum he is, anyone else would have got this by now!" is not going to do anything for me at all, especially since you, yes you hammered yesterday before anyone got a chance to assess any of F-16s content and if I was given that opportunity I'd have likely pulled the lynch of him and we'd be in a very different and likely much better situation right now.
