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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:04 pm

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Votecount 1-9


With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch or no lynch.


LaVidaensuMuerta (1): Corrino (L-4)
gameplay506 (1): Burning_Earth (L-4)
Burning_Earth (1): ignition, (L-4)
Spandex Faffy (1): Malakittens (L-4)
SingerSigner (1): gameplay506 (L-4)

Not voting (3): fferyllt, Singersigner, Spandex Faffy,LaVidaensuMuerte

Mod note: Replacing ignition.


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(expired on 2014-06-08 16:47:22)
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:05 pm

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I am here. somewhat pickled.

Might post incoherencies tonight. more likely to post coherencies tomorrow.
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:14 pm

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Sorry, I meant to say that those quote are pretty much an ISO of the two of us minus the most recent argument and anything addressed to other players. I can maybe see why you thought I was making a fuss about you responding to my accusation because now that I look back, I was definitely annoyed that you might not respond before deadline and it was a big determining factor in my read on both of you.

If it's all the same, I think I've convinced myself that neither of you are scum. I can't even imagine you misinterpreting so many things on purpose or taking things that can be proven out of context...that would just be really,
really
bad scum play.

It's making me unreasonably paranoid that ffery is white-knighting the crap out of BE, though...

I don't even know who I'd lynch at this point. I think we need to make sure there's a replacement for Ignacio, first. I haven't gotten a read out of him, LaVida, or Corrino, yet.
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:24 pm

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I am a paranoia inducing machine. it's what I do. Something something arrogance.

Singer I've never played with you and I'm super excited about this game and I want you to be town because basically I want everybody to be town and why does mafia need scum anyway, but damn it every game some of the people I want to be town aren't.

I'm trying to figure you out.

There's a vintage aspect to your play that I want to hold up like a torch and say "see this? this is how they used to play mafia back in the 2012s and even earlier!"

I need to be sure that it's vintage town. That's what I want to work on.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:11 pm

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In post 192, gameplay506 wrote:Ok so singer here is the reply you wanted:
In post 124, singersigner wrote:Also, I just looked at the most recent votecount and I see that BE is voting for gameplay, which almost entirely makes me think they're a scumteam based off of BE's inactivity and my recent suspicion of gameplay. It seems like the perfect distancing/bus from a less experienced yet experienced player.
Yes the bussing theory itself isn't bad but you yourself state that it will be a bus between distancing from a less experience to a experienced player. That itself would be a really shitty strategy if you think about it - leaving the newbie live alone without an experienced player to coach him. Also I think that for a bus to suceed the 2 buddies shouldn't vote each other because it will be an obvious bus between buddies, don't you agree? I would also like to see what are those suspicions concerning me caused by?

Also hey ffery. I will catch up with your posts soon, too.
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:12 pm

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Also I replaced out of 3 or 4 games so I should be a lot more active.

I was suffering from an acute case of overload.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:16 pm

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@Mod BE has only one vote on him. Vida unvoted
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:19 pm

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So she did.



Players, in the future, please put your votes and unvotes on a new line or use the vote tags so that they are visible.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:19 pm

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Ffery is right, I am town!
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:20 pm

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Uh, @220 WUT?
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:56 pm

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@BE can you be more specific?
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:13 am

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Ok so I saw we have approximately 2 days left until deadline. We should really put the activity up and start discussing otherwise we will end in a no lynch. Also I hope that some of the experienced players can help with this before this game dies.
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:24 am

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In post 230, Burning_Earth wrote:Also I replaced out of 3 or 4 games so I should be a lot more active.

I was suffering from an acute case of overload.
Good.

What are your reads?
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:26 am

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In post 45, singersigner wrote:Also, apparently my computer shut off while I was trying to make my last post with RQS and voting and stuff.

1. 30-40+ on site games of experience, plus plenty of f2f (face-to-face) experience with the NC Commune
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3. Lynch all lurkers, test all lyers.
4. Teamwork. Town can't win alone, and neither can scum. No one should be playing an independent game.

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Was this an RVS vote?
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:37 am

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In post 236, gameplay506 wrote:Ok so I saw we have approximately 2 days left until deadline. We should really put the activity up and start discussing otherwise we will end in a no lynch. Also I hope that some of the experienced players can help with this before this game dies.
This is a weird things to say. Of the 'experienced people' you're talking about, surely you're only talking about Mala? Do you have any response to my recent posts quoting what really happened? How do you feel about other people in the game/what their activity levels might suggest?

@ffery...yes it was an RVS vote, which turned into semi serious until she answered a question or two of mine, then satisfied me accordingly, so... yeah, not much else to say about that.

Also, I'm really curious about this 'vintage' aspect of my play. I only just finished my first game in probably two years that wasn't an invitational with people I was already familiar with, so I'm not even sure what to compare it to. The most recent invitationals my hydra was considered scummy (as town) both times because of the way I played, but I gather that's putting my passive, inquisitive play against more aggressive, interrogating players so I dunno.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:57 am

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In post 239, singersigner wrote:@ffery...yes it was an RVS vote, which turned into semi serious until she answered a question or two of mine, then satisfied me accordingly, so... yeah, not much else to say about that.
that kinda bothers me because there was game content to work with at the point where you put down the RVS vote.
Also, I'm really curious about this 'vintage' aspect of my play. I only just finished my first game in probably two years that wasn't an invitational with people I was already familiar with, so I'm not even sure what to compare it to. The most recent invitationals my hydra was considered scummy (as town) both times because of the way I played, but I gather that's putting my passive, inquisitive play against more aggressive, interrogating players so I dunno.
Site meta drifts over time. Your rules of thumb about lynching lurkers is a little out of synch with current meta, but the lurker issue is a hard one to untangle, much less solve.

And your putting down a late-ish RVS vote also looks odd, as I pointed out above. I can think of some IC-related reasons to demonstrate RVS, but what really needs demonstration is how you transition into serious game. I'm not comfortable chalking that up to site meta-drift.

My early play is usually called out for being too fluffy by players who don't know me. Outside of replacement games I usually have a slow start, so I can appreciate both that style of play and the pushback it can get.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:21 am

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I have this feeling that scum is in the less experienced players rather than the experienced players. It seems like the lack of wagon traction is that scum are waiting for us experienced players to take the lead and for them to follow.

I'm maybe wondering if BE is in fact town afterall due to this.

Idk if my logic is even right, but that's the way I'm feeling atm.
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:47 am

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In post 212, LaVidaensuMuerte wrote:
Ugh, I am so bored with day 1 lol. However, despite myself, I'm going to
Unvote
. A lot of what ffery has said has dropped my suspicion of BE for the most part. He really just seems like he doesn't want to play this game and I can't exactly blame him for that, I have been prodded twice since we got back xD. I believe I already promised to do a full read through and I didn't. Definitely gonna try and do that and actually post something before I get replaced >_<
What are your thoughts on other players? You've really only commented on Spandex and BE's play so far this game.
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:52 am

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In post 241, Malakittens wrote:I have this feeling that scum is in the less experienced players rather than the experienced players. It seems like the lack of wagon traction is that scum are waiting for us experienced players to take the lead and for them to follow.

I'm maybe wondering if BE is in fact town afterall due to this.

Idk if my logic is even right, but that's the way I'm feeling atm.
This is kind of a nebulous theory. Who do you think looks like scum waiting for experienced players to take the lead? How would that behavior differ from town players milling around waiting for leadership?
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:56 am

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In post 243, fferyllt wrote:
In post 241, Malakittens wrote:I have this feeling that scum is in the less experienced players rather than the experienced players. It seems like the lack of wagon traction is that scum are waiting for us experienced players to take the lead and for them to follow.

I'm maybe wondering if BE is in fact town afterall due to this.

Idk if my logic is even right, but that's the way I'm feeling atm.
This is kind of a nebulous theory. Who do you think looks like scum waiting for experienced players to take the lead? How would that behavior differ from town players milling around waiting for leadership?
It's more because we have no leading wagons and everything is at one. Whereas if we had an experienced player being scum they would attempt to push an agenda on another player for a mislynch etc. This just doesn't seem to be happening. Everything is stalled. As I said gut is telling me the scum team is like inexperienced rather thn experienced.
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:09 am

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What about the BE wagon? How does it fit your theory?
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:16 am

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These are the votecounts with wagons that got to at least L-3
In post 50, Cabd wrote:
Votecount 1-3


With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Malakittens (1): singersigner (L-4)
medea (2): gameplay506, Burning_earth (L-3)

LaVidaensuMuerta (1): Corrino, (L-4)
Tyrouh (1): Spandax Faffy (L-4)
Spandex Faffy (1): Malakittens


Not voting (3): Tyrouh, LaVidaensuMuerte, medea

Deadline for day one falls in: (expired on 2014-05-29 16:58:44)
Looks like the medea wagon had 1 eperienced player on it.
In post 133, Cabd wrote:
Votecount 1-6


With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch or no lynch.


LaVidaensuMuerta (1): Corrino (L-4)
gameplay506 (1): Burning_Earth (L-4)
Burning_Earth (3): ignition, LaVidaensuMuerte, gameplay506 (L-2)



Not voting (3): medea, Singersigner, Malakittens

Mod note: Waiting to see if medea comes back, otherwise you all found your way back to the flock!


In this one, it looks like newbie players took the initiative and got the wagon going.

Deadline for day one falls in:
(expired on 2014-06-06 16:47:22)
In post 75, Cabd wrote:
Votecount 1-4


With 9 players alive, it will take 5 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Malakittens (1): singersigner (L-4)
medea (1): gameplay506 (L-4)
LaVidaensuMuerta (1): Corrino, (L-4)
Tyrouh (1): Spandax Faffy (L-4)
Spandex Faffy (2): Malakittens, Burning_Earth (L-3)



Not voting (3): Tyrouh, LaVidaensuMuerte, medea

Mod note: Replacing Tyrouh


Deadline for day one falls in: (expired on 2014-05-29 16:58:44)
Two experienced players on the largest wagon.

I felt like the BE wagon had quite a bit of oomph behind it, and an experienced player willing to jump onto it. There were basically 5 votes committed there.
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:19 am

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Yea, but never to L-1. which explains why I
maybe
think BE could be town as he's the only one who really got to a higher level wagon.
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:20 am

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In post 247, Malakittens wrote:Yea, but never to L-1. which explains why I
maybe
think BE could be town as he's the only one who really got to a higher level wagon.
That's your only reason for thinking he's town?
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:24 am

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Waiting for my schedule to loosen up some point this weekend so I get to reading and posting. I have a wake to go to tonight and possibly a funeral tomorrow (plus a crap ton of homework), so I'm looking at Sunday for when I can actually sit down and get back to the game.

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