Open 556: Fire and Ice (Over)

Moonlight · Post Post #1000 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:13 am

In post 994, RachMarie wrote:Wow moon such AtE, why not focus on doing your best, if you are town there is no reason to give up til the last scum is dead or we are. Losing the doc sucks, and we have not yet hit scum, but we can still win if we get our heads together.

It's not easy to be as optimistic as you. I expect Tricks to flip scum, he flips Town. I spend the first night brainstorming about The_Ascended and wanting to ask for clarification, killed. Baezu? Nope. Boro? Nope. NS? Nope.

That's 5 players whose flip upset me. All 5 of them toyed with the idea of me being scum at some point and now I look pretty horrible. And the funny thing is that if I was scum, maybe I'd have shot The_Ascended or N_M in the first night. But Boro or NS in the second night after Boro said I need to die? No, I would have wanted them alive just so I can waste their time today instead of talking to myself and venting all this frustration at no particular direction. -_-

Yes, this post of mine is also an AtE. Emotions are a part of human nature and it's not my problem if they're frowned upon. I'm not a machine and I don't trust my judgment at all right now, so how about this: instead of asking me to try my best, show me what

you

've got.

randomidget wrote:What do the numbers represent?

Pretty sure they show the place of the voter on the wagon. I was the 4th vote on N_M, 2nd on tman and so on.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #1001 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:18 am

VOTE: RachMarie
Anyone up for a wagon? From my POV, and I'm assuming Moon is town, I have a 80% chance of hitting scum. RachMarie is scum.

Moonlight · Post Post #1002 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:33 am

It's posts like this one above that make me townread midget. He just drew all the attention to himself with that vote after going along with Finglove's idea.

I'm going to sleep on this for now, hoping for a clearer head tomorrow.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #1003 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:42 am

In post 1002, Moonlight wrote:It's posts like this one above that make me townread midget. He just drew all the attention to himself with that vote after going along with Finglove's idea.

I'm going to sleep on this for now, hoping for a clearer head tomorrow.

I'm bored. I need blood. I really think town will rip itself apart by the deadline and a lynch might help. My hope would be we lynch scum and scum both cross-kill.

Mr Glidder · Post Post #1004 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:57 pm

In post 1000, Moonlight wrote:Pretty sure they show the place of the voter on the wagon. I was the 4th vote on N_M, 2nd on tman and so on.

This is indeed how my VCA works.

In post 1001, Randomnamechange wrote:From my POV, and I'm assuming Moon is town, I have a 80% chance of hitting scum. RachMarie is scum.

This is true of any target from any player's point of view. But that aside - you wanted to lynch Zeph/reinoe at the end of day 2, and now you're voting in a totally different direction.

Maybe I'll do some MATH to figure out the best plan of action.

LlamaFluff · Post Post #1005 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 2:12 pm

Vote Count

RachMarie (1) - randomidget
No Lynch (1) - Finglove

Not Voting (5) - idk, Moonlight, Mr Glidder, RachMarie, reione

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch
Deadline is June 24th, 6PM PST

To answer endgame questions:

*In the event of a 1:1:1 scenario the game would continue as no faction has reached their win condition.
*In the event of a 1:1 or 2:2 endgame where only members of two opposing mafia factions remain, the game will be a draw between said factions

Mr Glidder · Post Post #1006 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:38 pm

In this post I do MATH™. Should you dislike MATH™, it's spoilered for your convenience.

Spoiler: MATH™

The game is currently in 3:2:2. Assume the teams are A-scum and B-scum (doesn't matter which is which at this point). Also assume that all lynches and kills are random (which face it for this game would be an improvement).

We can lynch.
- We lynch town. Odds of this are 3/7. N3 is 2:2:2.
  - Both kills are cancelled. Odds of this are 1/4*1/4 (the chance that both teams picked the same target). Still at 2:2:2 for D4 - which is a dilemma scenario.
  - A-scum kills town. Odds of this are 2/4-(1/4*1/4). Now at 1:2:2 for half-night.
    - B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 1/3. 0:2:2 and both teams draw.
    - B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 2/3. 1:1:2 into D4 and B-scum would have to play against their win condition to lose (guaranteed win or draw with A-scum).
  - A-scum kills B-scum. Odds of this are 2/4 (cannot be cancelled, as the other team won't be killing itself). Now at 2:2:1 for half-night.
    - B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 2/4. 1:2:1 into D4 and A-scum would have to play against their win condition to lose (guaranteed win or draw with B-scum).
    - B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 2/4. 2:1:1 into D4. This is dilemma.
- We lynch A-scum. Odds of this are 2/7. N3 is 3:1:2.
  - Both kills are cancelled. Odds of this are 1/5*1/4 (since A-scum has five targets while the B-scum have four). Still at 3:1:2 for D4.
  - A-scum kills town. Odds of this are 3/5-(1/5*1/4). Now at 2:1:2 for half-night.
    - B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 2/3. 1:1:2 into D4 and B-scum cannot lose.
    - B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 1/3. 2:0:2 and B-scum wins.
  - A-scum kills B-scum. Odds of this are 2/5. Now at 3:1:1 for half-night.
    - B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 3/4. 2:1:1 into D4 and dilemma.
    - B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 1/4. 3:0:1 into D4 and MyLo for town.
- We lynch B-scum. Everything here is identical to lynching A-scum, just with all As and Bs reversed.
We can no-lynch. N3 is 3:2:2.
- Both kills are cancelled. Odds of this are 1/5*1/5. Nothing is gained.
- A-scum kills town. Odds of this are 3/5-(1/5*1/5). Now at 2:2:2 for half-night.
  - B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 2/4. 1:2:2 into D4; this is also dilemma.
  - B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 2/4. 2:1:2 into D4, which is either dilemma or scumwin.
- A-scum kills B-scum. Odds of this are 2/5. Now at 3:2:1 for half-night.
  - B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 3/5. 2:2:1 into D4, which is either dilemma or scumwin.
  - B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 2/5. 3:1:1 into D4, which is either dilemma or LyLo.

So, by chaining probabilities, we get this:

We lynch
- We lynch town: 3/7
  - No kills: 1/16 (2:2:2) [total: 3/112]
  - A-scum kills town: 7/16
    - B-scum kills town: 1/3 (0:2:2) [total: 1/16]
    - B-scum kills A-scum: 2/3 (1:1:2) [total: 1/8]
  - A-scum kills B-scum: 1/2
    - B-scum kills town: 1/2 (1:2:1) [total: 3/28]
    - B-scum kills A-scum: 1/2 (2:1:1) [total: 3/28]
- We lynch A-scum: 2/7
  - No kills: 1/20 (3:1:2) [total: 1/70]
  - A-scum kills town: 11/20
    - B-scum kills town: 2/3 (1:1:2) [total: 11/105]
    - B-scum kills A-scum: 1/3 (2:0:2) [total: 11/210]
  - A-scum kills B-scum: 2/5
    - B-scum kills town: 3/4 (2:1:1) [total: 3/35]
    - B-scum kills A-scum: 1/4 (3:0:1) [total: 1/35]
- We lynch B-scum: 2/7
  - No kills: 1/20 (3:2:1) [total: 1/70]
  - B-scum kills town: 11/20
    - A-scum kills town: 2/3 (1:2:1) [total: 11/105]
    - A-scum kills B-scum: 1/3 (2:2:0) [total: 11/210]
  - B-scum kills A-scum: 2/5
    - A-scum kills town: 3/4 (2:1:1) [total: 3/35]
    - A-scum kills B-scum: 1/4 (3:1:0) [total: 1/35]
We no-lynch
- No kills: 1/25 (3:2:2) [total: 1/25]
- A-scum kills town: 14/25
  - B-scum kills town: 1/2 (1:2:2) [total: 7/25]
  - B-scum kills A-scum: 1/2 (2:1:2) [total: 7/25]
- A-scum kills B-scum: 2/5
  - B-scum kills town: 3/5 (2:2:1) [total: 6/25]
  - B-scum kills A-scum: 2/5 (3:1:1) [total: 4/25]

Finally, I add together all paths that lead to the same results (for example, adding together all the 1:1:2 results as well as the 1:2:1 results, because we don't care which team in particular). I'll put it outside this spoiler box.

Anyway, these are the results of the MATH™:

Lynch:
- 3:2:1 = 48/1680 (2.86%)
- 3:1:0 = 96/1680 (5.71%)
- 2:2:2 = 45/1680 (2.68%)
- 2:2:0 = 176/1680 (10.48%)
- 2:1:1 = 468/1680 (27.86%)
- 1:2:1 = 742/1680 (44.17%)
- 0:2:2 = 105/1680 (6.25%)
- All town insta-losses = 1023/1680 (60.89%)
- All dilemmas = 513/1680 (30.54%)
No lynch:
- 3:2:2 = 1/25 (4%)
- 3:1:1 = 4/25 (16%)
- 2:2:1 = 13/25 (52%)
- 1:2:2 = 7/25 (28%)
- All dilemmas = 20/25 (80%)

Bolds

are best-case scenarios (defined as those than can lead to MyLo or LyLo D4).

Italics

are insta-loss for town (assuming people play to win condition).

Underlines

are dilemmas.

Looking at these numbers...well I guess whatever decision we undertake would be based on how you guys would treat a dilemma.

reinoe · Post Post #1007 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:07 pm

In post 994, RachMarie wrote:Wow moon such AtE, why not focus on doing your best, if you are town there is no reason to give up til the last scum is dead or we are. Losing the doc sucks, and we have not yet hit scum, but we can still win if we get our heads together.

As for NS being read as scum, he tends to lurk a LOT and that usually leads people to thinking he is scum. I know this about him because I have gotten on his case about his lurking (for those who don't know NS is my fiance and I did not even know he was in the game until after I replaced in, but we decided to give it a try and then he ended up dead just before I could post.)

You should sheep me on my vote on Moonlight.

Also because my vote wasn't counted...

Vote:Moonlight

VOTE: Moonlight

Moonlight · Post Post #1008 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:51 pm

Because sheeping is definitely a good idea when no one is clear/confirmed. -_-

Not to mention that you're completely wrong and if you're Town you've failed to understand how my mind works. I simply can't be scum because I wouldn't be in this position if I was. I'd either have been lynched a long time ago, or I would be looking really good this late. None of that is happening.

You're not even trying to read me. You asked me what I think of midget so you can see if you can get a wagon on him instead, didn't you?

VOTE: RachMarie

This is partly a survivalistic vote, partly a scumread-based one through correlation. I have no desire to be lynched and I'm not a big fan of dilemmas or draws. I want to win this.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #1009 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:14 pm

In post 1006, Mr Glidder wrote:In this post I do MATH™. Should you dislike MATH™, it's spoilered for your convenience.
Spoiler: MATH™
The game is currently in 3:2:2. Assume the teams are A-scum and B-scum (doesn't matter which is which at this point). Also assume that all lynches and kills are random (which face it for this game would be an improvement).

We can lynch.

We lynch town. Odds of this are 3/7. N3 is 2:2:2.

Both kills are cancelled. Odds of this are 1/4*1/4 (the chance that both teams picked the same target). Still at 2:2:2 for D4 - which is a dilemma scenario.

A-scum kills town. Odds of this are 2/4-(1/4*1/4). Now at 1:2:2 for half-night.

B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 1/3. 0:2:2 and both teams draw.

B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 2/3. 1:1:2 into D4 and B-scum would have to play against their win condition to lose (guaranteed win or draw with A-scum).

A-scum kills B-scum. Odds of this are 2/4 (cannot be cancelled, as the other team won't be killing itself). Now at 2:2:1 for half-night.

B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 2/4. 1:2:1 into D4 and A-scum would have to play against their win condition to lose (guaranteed win or draw with B-scum).

B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 2/4. 2:1:1 into D4. This is dilemma.

We lynch A-scum. Odds of this are 2/7. N3 is 3:1:2.

Both kills are cancelled. Odds of this are 1/5*1/4 (since A-scum has five targets while the B-scum have four). Still at 3:1:2 for D4.

A-scum kills town. Odds of this are 3/5-(1/5*1/4). Now at 2:1:2 for half-night.

B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 2/3. 1:1:2 into D4 and B-scum cannot lose.

B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 1/3. 2:0:2 and B-scum wins.

A-scum kills B-scum. Odds of this are 2/5. Now at 3:1:1 for half-night.

B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 3/4. 2:1:1 into D4 and dilemma.

B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 1/4. 3:0:1 into D4 and MyLo for town.

We lynch B-scum. Everything here is identical to lynching A-scum, just with all As and Bs reversed.

We can no-lynch. N3 is 3:2:2.

Both kills are cancelled. Odds of this are 1/5*1/5. Nothing is gained.

A-scum kills town. Odds of this are 3/5-(1/5*1/5). Now at 2:2:2 for half-night.

B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 2/4. 1:2:2 into D4; this is also dilemma.

B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 2/4. 2:1:2 into D4, which is either dilemma or scumwin.

A-scum kills B-scum. Odds of this are 2/5. Now at 3:2:1 for half-night.

B-scum kills town. Odds of this are 3/5. 2:2:1 into D4, which is either dilemma or scumwin.

B-scum kills A-scum. Odds of this are 2/5. 3:1:1 into D4, which is either dilemma or LyLo.
So, by chaining probabilities, we get this:

We lynch

We lynch town: 3/7

No kills: 1/16 (2:2:2) [total: 3/112]

A-scum kills town: 7/16

B-scum kills town: 1/3 (0:2:2) [total: 1/16]

B-scum kills A-scum: 2/3 (1:1:2) [total: 1/8]

A-scum kills B-scum: 1/2

B-scum kills town: 1/2 (1:2:1) [total: 3/28]

B-scum kills A-scum: 1/2 (2:1:1) [total: 3/28]

We lynch A-scum: 2/7

No kills: 1/20 (3:1:2) [total: 1/70]

A-scum kills town: 11/20

B-scum kills town: 2/3 (1:1:2) [total: 11/105]

B-scum kills A-scum: 1/3 (2:0:2) [total: 11/210]

A-scum kills B-scum: 2/5

B-scum kills town: 3/4 (2:1:1) [total: 3/35]

B-scum kills A-scum: 1/4 (3:0:1) [total: 1/35]

We lynch B-scum: 2/7

No kills: 1/20 (3:2:1) [total: 1/70]

B-scum kills town: 11/20

A-scum kills town: 2/3 (1:2:1) [total: 11/105]

A-scum kills B-scum: 1/3 (2:2:0) [total: 11/210]

B-scum kills A-scum: 2/5

A-scum kills town: 3/4 (2:1:1) [total: 3/35]

A-scum kills B-scum: 1/4 (3:1:0) [total: 1/35]

We no-lynch

No kills: 1/25 (3:2:2) [total: 1/25]

A-scum kills town: 14/25

B-scum kills town: 1/2 (1:2:2) [total: 7/25]

B-scum kills A-scum: 1/2 (2:1:2) [total: 7/25]

A-scum kills B-scum: 2/5

B-scum kills town: 3/5 (2:2:1) [total: 6/25]

B-scum kills A-scum: 2/5 (3:1:1) [total: 4/25]
Finally, I add together all paths that lead to the same results (for example, adding together all the 1:1:2 results as well as the 1:2:1 results, because we don't care which team in particular). I'll put it outside this spoiler box.
Anyway, these are the results of the MATH™:

Lynch:

3:2:1 = 48/1680 (2.86%)

3:1:0 = 96/1680 (5.71%)

2:2:2 = 45/1680 (2.68%)

2:2:0 = 176/1680 (10.48%)

2:1:1 = 468/1680 (27.86%)

1:2:1 = 742/1680 (44.17%)

0:2:2 = 105/1680 (6.25%)

All town insta-losses = 1023/1680 (60.89%)

All dilemmas = 513/1680 (30.54%)

No lynch:

3:2:2 = 1/25 (4%)

3:1:1 = 4/25 (16%)

2:2:1 = 13/25 (52%)

1:2:2 = 7/25 (28%)

All dilemmas = 20/25 (80%)
Bolds
are best-case scenarios (defined as those than can lead to MyLo or LyLo D4).
Italics
are insta-loss for town (assuming people play to win condition).
Underlines
are dilemmas.

Looking at these numbers...well I guess whatever decision we undertake would be based on how you guys would treat a dilemma.

OOH I LOVE MATHS!
Also I was scum reading 4 heads and reinoe is being more useful today than RachMarie.

reinoe · Post Post #1010 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:26 pm

In post 1008, Moonlight wrote:
You're not even trying to read me. You asked me what I think of midget so you can see if you can get a wagon on him instead, didn't you?
.

I asked the question to see if you're really so easily manipulated by people kissing your ass. Post 993 followed by Post 1002 suggests that you're either deliberately flaunting your lack of objectivity or you're scum.

I clearly outlined the scum motivation in your posts in posts 974. Your posting is at best anti-town. The buddying is not even subtle anymore.

Waiting for IDK 'cuz I think he might be the only one that can save this town from the derpstorm that's surrounding me.

Moonlight · Post Post #1011 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:48 pm

In post 1010, reinoe wrote:I asked the question to see if you're really so easily manipulated by people kissing your ass. Post 993 followed by Post 1002 suggests that you're either deliberately flaunting your lack of objectivity or you're scum.

I clearly outlined the scum motivation in your posts in posts 974. Your posting is at best anti-town. The buddying is not even subtle anymore.

Waiting for IDK 'cuz I think he might be the only one that can save this town from the derpstorm that's surrounding me.

Of course I lack objectivity. Do you think that anyone's objective in a game like Mafia? For real? What do you think people are, perfect logical machines? Sorry, but no. My posts come completely naturally, and if there's a site meta that looks down upon subjectivity at least I'll know and wait for everyone else to realize they're being unreasonable to expect objectivity and won't play another game until that happens. I'm sick and tired of this bullshit.

You're putting a label like "buddying" on what could be two Townies working together. That's what was going on with Tricks, and apparently no one has learned a lesson from that.

Finglove · Post Post #1012 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:18 pm

In post 1006, Mr Glidder wrote:Looking at these numbers...well I guess whatever decision we undertake would be based on how you guys would treat a dilemma.

So my reading of this is basically the numbers in my head behind my previous post urging a no-lynch, except it's more extreme than I thought. With a no-lynch, our chance of ending up in a good scenario is 3x higher and there's no way we can insta-lose. A no brainer, surely? I mean, some of the "lynch" dilemmas are superior to the "no-lynch" dilemmas but not by enough to make we want to flirt with the insta-lose. Not by a long shot.

So my question to you, glidder, is why you didn't reach this conclusion immediately after posting the maths?

Moonlight · Post Post #1013 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:36 pm

That math assumes a random selection and that's where it falls short. I believe we can lynch better than random, if I believed we're going to lynch equal to or worse than that, then yes a no-lynch would be a no-brainer.

I'm not in favor of a no lynch, but I won't oppose it. I don't think it's going to hurt, I just don't see it as helpful as it looks on paper. =/

reinoe · Post Post #1014 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:48 pm

I'm ready to 1v1 moonlight, that's how convinced I am that he's scum.

Me or Moonlight. One of us is getting lynched.

Moonlight · Post Post #1015 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:06 pm

Suit yourself.

VOTE: reinoe

If I get lynched instead and you are somehow Town, I am begging you to at least reconsider what you think you know about this game. Stop thinking you're always right. Start trying to understand someone before you read them. I don't want anyone else to not have fun in a game because of you.

Moonlight · Post Post #1016 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:08 pm

Should I also fakeclaim scum? I'm beginning to contemplate it, that's how much I cannot stand this.

reinoe · Post Post #1017 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:31 pm

In post 1015, Moonlight wrote:Suit yourself.

VOTE: reinoe

If I get lynched instead and you are somehow Town, I am begging you to at least reconsider what you think you know about this game. Stop thinking you're always right. Start trying to understand someone before you read them. I don't want anyone else to not have fun in a game because of you.

Your play this game is wildly different than when you played in newbie 1494.

In post 107, Moonlight wrote:
In post 101, Kenobi wrote:I'd love some of that tasty, tasty reasoning
It looks like buddying in the making. You're also assuming that Tony's push would actually get Nacho in trouble. A vote does not always come from a desire to lynch, so you are overreacting.

Wow. Once upon a time, when you were town, you had real concerns about buddying and spotted it early.

In post 110, Moonlight wrote:I am a bit concerned about Tony following my guidance unquestionably so far.

And once upon a time again, Moonlight showed concerns about buddying. This game? Not only has moonlight embraced buddying other players, he's engaging and supporting the same unquestioned guidance that made him suspicious. What happened? Is moonlight becoming a worse player over time or maybe the difference is moonlight's alignment.

In post 113, Moonlight wrote:Being friendly in general is not the same as choosing to be friendly with one specific player in my opinion.

Wow, more concerns about buddying, none of which seems to exist this game.

In post 116, Moonlight wrote: The post I'm referring to is 55, and I see the possibility of a buddying attempt with Nacho specifically. It is one I feel safe to dismiss for now though.

Holy shit, more concerns about buddying. The stark contrast is ridiculous. You're obscum. Did you think I didn't research this shit before I challenged you to 1v1?

In post 187, Moonlight wrote:
I believe that HSS probably saw Tony and me as easy targets. I don't think I can draw conclusions to who his buddy could be, not to mention the WIFOM involved.

Oh wow, before you knew better than to draw conclusions on who's buddying who. This game it's pretty much the only thing you've done all fucking game.

ALL FUCKING GAME.

And I'm just gettin' started...

reinoe · Post Post #1018 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:35 pm

Or, the rest of the town can just compare this game to 1494 themselves. The quality and quantity of analysis, the skepticism, the logic, all of it is so wildly different.

No joke, either moonlight is becoming a worse town player or his alignment is different.

Moonlight · Post Post #1019 (ISO) » Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:45 pm

I had better teammates in that game. People who actually saw me for who I am instead of people who scumread every attempt of mine to win for Town.

I'm contemplating logging out and never logging back in on this site ever again. I feel so betrayed, so shunned for just being me that I cannot stand it. I've been wanting to matter, to have worth, to have something and instead I get this bullshit. Fuck people, fuck everything, I am so done.

VOTE: Moonlight

2 more votes for this torment to end. Please do it, then kill reinoe in the night. I'm done. So fucking done.

Finglove · Post Post #1020 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:25 am

Calm the language guys, if you insist on lynching today (something I won't support) I'm pretty sure this isn't the way to go about it. Park your reciprocated scumreads, let's hear from Rach and idk and get this day properly moving.

Mr Glidder · Post Post #1021 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:10 am

In post 1012, Finglove wrote:So my question to you, glidder, is why you didn't reach this conclusion immediately after posting the maths?

I was intentionally not reaching conclusions until the post was all done.

I'm not voting Moonlight, because he's town. The level of...er...whininess (for lack of a better term) in 1019 just does not seem faked at all.

Randomnamechange · Post Post #1022 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:14 am

In post 1019, Moonlight wrote:I had better teammates in that game. People who actually saw me for who I am instead of people who scumread every attempt of mine to win for Town.

I'm contemplating logging out and never logging back in on this site ever again. I feel so betrayed, so shunned for just being me that I cannot stand it. I've been wanting to matter, to have worth, to have something and instead I get this bullshit. Fuck people, fuck everything, I am so done.

VOTE: Moonlight

2 more votes for this torment to end. Please do it, then kill reinoe in the night. I'm done. So fucking done.

Moon calm down. I know you are town, you know you are town.
Why don't we just lynch the common scum read of Rach Marie.
Also, if we lynch town today, scum have no choice but to target each other. If one target town and the other targets the scum team then the scum team with two left wins. I am seriously tempted to lynch Moon on the basis that they are town. Never thought that that would happen. But I'll hold off for now. Please give your thoughts on my theory.
But for now,
UNVOTE:
VOTE: reino read the thread. Also, me and Moon aarent buddying. We are townreading each other and trust each other. In this situation we need two town players working together to get this out of this fucking mess. This game is rapidly getting less fun.
PEdit: I think it was more anger than whininess.

Finglove · Post Post #1023 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:40 am

In post 1021, Mr Glidder wrote:
In post 1012, Finglove wrote:So my question to you, glidder, is why you didn't reach this conclusion immediately after posting the maths?
I was intentionally not reaching conclusions until the post was all done.

I'm not voting Moonlight, because he's town. The level of...er...whininess (for lack of a better term) in 1019 just does not seem faked at all.

Do you think we should be lynching at all?

Finglove · Post Post #1024 (ISO) » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:50 am

In post 1022, Randomnamechange wrote:
Also, if we lynch town today, scum have no choice but to target each other. If one target town and the other targets the scum team then the scum team with two left wins.

This has several mistakes in it:

1) The scum team doesn't win because there is still someone from the other scumteam alive.
2) Scum don't know who each other are. So far they've done a poor job of finding each other.

I'd also reinforce the fact that lynching scum could lose us the game before D4 starts. But then, obviously lynching town won't improve our chances either.