Newbie 1509: The Devil's Run (Game Over)

[Baezu]

Vote Count 3.00

Not Voting: Andrewseagull, Clusk92, Alina, shaddowez, Formerfish, huntress

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-07-12 16:54:00)

Mod Notes:
None

[Formerfish]

Hi, my names former fish, and I'm an alco.... wait wrong board.

I am going to attempt to do some vca. I'll be back.

[Alina]

Okay. That sucks, but whatever. Did anyone else play the ISO

blueheaven

game? It's pretty fun.

1. ISO

Blueheaven

2. Ctrl+F:

Clusk

3. No Results

He never said his name once. ONCE. Mixed with

Clusk

defending

Jopalopa

at the start from

Babi's

vote, and then defending

blueheaven

before finally realizing

boon

is screwed, he flips on him. I'm definitely leaning him right now, because while

Shaddowez

seems more scummy to me INDEPENDENTLY, I don't honestly see him as a partner with our dead...4 person monstrosity. Serious DID going on there.

Shaddowez

'd be my second choice though.

There's also

Andrew

, who...has had a couple weird posts, and has been completely strange the whole game, but I honestly think he's town?

bh

seemed like he was testing the waters to get suspicion on him on the start of day 2, seeing if anyone would vote him, and

Clusk

seemed to be firmly on that train as well. I think

Clusk

is the most likely to be his scumpartner. I think

Fish

/

Huntress

are almost certainly town. If they're scum then I'm an idiot.

VOTE: Clusk92

So, yeah, I feel comfortable going with this for now, but I want to know what other people are thinking too and if there's anything possibly significant that I missed.

[Alina]

That ninja thing only worked for me twice. The heck? I didn't get shown your post before I made mine :/

[Clusk92]

That's a pretty impressive change of opinion for someone who's had me as one of their strongest townreads all game and also only saw me in a possible scum team with Andrew.

I'm gonna read some ISO's tomorrow and re-evaluate things, but I'm still certain that either Shaddow or Andrew is scum.

[Alina]

I'm not a robot. My opinions have been all over the place the whole game, lol. You and

Fish

swapped places in my scum possibility-most likely town zones towards the end of yesterday. Besides, with

boon

(I keep typing out

blueheaven

...)'s flip, there's a lot more information.

[Clusk92]

That's fair enough, I still think you're town so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as your change of opinion has logical reasoning at least.

But everything I did was logical, my suspicion about Babi's early vote on Jopa was nothing to do with defending him, it was just a plain weird post imo and was rightly picked up on by myself and others.

My change of opinion was justified on Blueheaven also, the JK claim made it a bit more likely that he could be scum, yet not definite, and I still wasn't convinced until Blueheaven was logged on but not posting and his replacement replaced out while under attack, most people would think he was scum after that IMO.

[Clusk92]

And even after all of the above happened Andrew still thought he was innocent, without giving any reason.

In fact, my votes going on him again for now.

VOTE: Andrewseagull

[Clusk92]

Another reason why I'm also still suspicious of Shaddow even after him being jailkeeped (if Babisoup did as he said he would) was his willingness to be put in jail to prove his innocence- it almost reeks of a mafia roleblocker coming under pressure and wanting to put his name in the clear and be confirmed town.

[Alina]

I can't decide if

Andrew

is just playing the newbie card or if he's some guy who just decided to make an alt on here and act as oblivious as possible to get laughs. Some posts he seems like he's trying way too hard to look town "lol why did the mafia no kill :) " but at the same time

blueheaven

seemed like he was testing the waters to try and get him killed so I'm not so sure they were partners. He didn't vote him though, so I guess he could've been setting up to go with or against him depending on what other people thought.

[Alina]

That's actually a good point, I hadn't thought of that. I was really hoping we'd have a no kill last night so I could just get all 3 of my suspects lynched and hopefully I wasn't dead wrong with

Huntress

/

Fish

but :/ I guess I can hope they end up hitting a bulletproof at night if we have one.

[Huntress]

After looking at the voting I think Clusk is probably most likely, with the mutual bussing once the lynch looked pretty certain to go through. Clusk's post 243 is interesting in the light of Boon's flip, and 322 could be giving Hayato a hint to try to out a real BP.

That's a pretty impressive change of opinion for someone who's had me as one of their strongest townreads all game and also only saw me in a possible scum team with Andrew.

Not much more so than your change of opinion on blueheaven. Could I have a reply to this please?

Blueheaven came across as mostly town since he replaced in this game and was one of my top town reads, so felt no need to interact with him until Babi's JK reveal, which made me very suspicious of him, so now I want to question him, nothing wrong with that.

If BH was one of your top town reads, why would his being jailed and possibly protected as a result make you suspicious of him?

But everything I did was logical, ...

Scum are more likely than town to worry about how their game looks.

Another reason why I'm also still suspicious of Shaddow even after him being jailkeeped (if Babisoup did as he said he would) was his willingness to be put in jail to prove his innocence- it almost reeks of a mafia roleblocker coming under pressure and wanting to put his name in the clear and be confirmed town.

A scum roleblocker would know that this wouldn't work as one member of the town would know of the existence of the rb and therefore assume that Babi would be blocked, so there would be no confirmation.

Vote: Clusk

[Formerfish]

I am with the girls on this one. The whole "Every move I've made makes very logical sense" is what got me. I play very methodically as scum because its an act and needs to be kept up. As town I am all over the fucking place accusing everyone of any and everything.

vote clusk

That's l-1

[shaddowez]

I intend to hammer sometime tomorrow morning if nobody has any objections.

I've been fluctuating between

Andrew

and

Clusk

being scum for a while, though I've definitely been leaning more heavily towards

Clusk

(I mentioned

Boon

bussing him in my vote in post #396).

Another reason why I'm also still suspicious of Shaddow even after him being jailkeeped (if Babisoup did as he said he would) was his willingness to be put in jail to prove his innocence- it almost reeks of a mafia roleblocker coming under pressure and wanting to put his name in the clear and be confirmed town.

This is a reasonable argument - I had actually thought of it already, but wasn't going to post it to give scum the idea. It's also WIFOM. I could present an argument against it, but that would just be the other side of the WIFOM.

[Baezu]

Vote Count 3.02

Andrewseagull: (1) Clusk92

(Lynch)

Clusk92: (4) Alina, huntress , Formerfish, shaddowez

Not Voting: Andrewseagull

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-06-30 18:30:00)

Mod Notes:
Clusk92 was lynched. He was a mafia roleblocker. Game is over and town has won!

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[Andrewseagull]

i'm clearly town guys, Boon tried to vote for me early on, I'm vanilla townie. Don't think clusk is mafia though as surely he wouldn't have gone for me if he was like that.

[Andrewseagull]

and baezu why have we now only got 1 day instead of 17?

[Formerfish]

Andrew, a few things.

1. If I recall correctly you didn't think boon was scum either.

2. Stop saying you're a vanilla townie like that is supposed to mean anything to anyone else. No one can confirm your role, and you have been playing quite scummy for most of the game. Stop playing scummy and you'll stop being scum read.

3. Bussing is a thing. Especially when someone acts as scummy as you do.

4. Who do you think is scum?

5. What do you mean clusk wouldn't have gone at you like that if he were scum?

[Andrewseagull]

1. Yeah I know i had a hunch he wasn't so was surprised when he went for me, he wouldn't go for a fellow mafia would he.

2. playing scummy?

3. What's bussing?

4. Not sure, shaddow maybe.

5. because in a way that's kinda giving him self away (if he is scum he wouldn't of done that?!)

If i vote clusk it will lynch him won't it? better not then.

[Alina]

Andrew..this is a really elaborate trolling schtick of yours, right? ...Right?

[Formerfish]

Bussing is a shortened term for throwing someone under the bus. Meaning that scum would intentionally vote one of their partners. This happens for many reasons, but all of them boil down to appearing to be town.

In response,

1. Refer to defined term above.
2. Yes, you are playing a very scummy game. And the fact that you only commented on that part of my point provides even more evidence. Remember when I gave you advice earlier, that is an example of your scumminess.
3. See above.
4. Why shadow, what are you using for a basis for anything? You had me as scum early game due to gut, and I haven't seen you scum hunt once in this game. Your reads are barely existent and when pushed are almost unable to articulate any kind of position.
5. So you ate saying that you are so town, that if someone were to vote you they would have to be scum, did I get that about right?

[shaddowez]

I'm really hoping that I'm right, and

Andrew

is just really bad at this game.... Otherwise, it's one of the best/worst scum games I've ever seen.

VOTE: Clusk

[Alina]

oh god

I wish you waited just a litttle bit more but whatever. I'm still okay with this. Moment of truth time I guess. Here's hoping.

[shaddowez]

I said I was going to do it this morning unless anyone objected... You and fish both posted without saying anything about holding off or I would have

[Alina]

Huntress hasn't been on though lol