Open 561: Farmer's Market (Game Over)

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I think he actually believes his strategy is optimal. I really don't think he realizes our strategy is optimal and is trying to get us to do something suboptimal as scum. His proposal is completely alignment neutral.

Why would scum try to push the optimal strategy? They wouldn't. If you think he [Bulge] "believes his strategy is optimal," then he would be siding with those pushing what he would think was the suboptimal strategy. I.e. your accusations towards the Bulge support him being town.

This is about hayato, not bulge.

The "just two nights with no-kills" is because at the time people wrongly thought it was gonna break the game. Compared to that, two nights with no-kills IS weak.

"Attacking everyone who went after hayato" what game are you reading aronis?

#80 says hayato's EXAMPLE supporting his plan doesn't make sense, not his actual plan.

The thing fitz points to bulge being town is irrelevant to alignment pretty much. Did none of you think of scum saying "LETS DO THE OPTIMUM PLAN" for towncred?

I don't agree with bulge that it's a scumtell on hayato, and he seemed to be using the plan to call hayato scum, and JUST the plan.

...

Seriously, go read the game context as well as my iso.

[havingfitz]

Well it got quiet in here.

The replacements haven't been good for you Siv.

Here's where I'm at atm...

Not interested in voting:

• Aronis
  The Bulge
  don_johnson
  mathbandit
  Formerfish
  Bin

Would consider:

• T S O
  Siveure
  innocentvillager
  hayato

That said...I can't see Siv and Hayato being scum together because that would be too obvious.  I obviously lean Siv atm.  If Siv were to flip scum Hayato would look better IMO because...like I said, I can't see them being scumbuddies.  Of the other two I suspect innocentvillager more than I do T S O.

P.edit...I read the game twice Siv. You looked suspect both times. And cool...disregard my comments wrt your post 53.

[Bins]

Siv, I'm certain everyone voting has ISO'd you multiple times.

Pedit - yup. still certain.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Bins, wtf.

So many comprehension failures.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Alright, I'm in the same realm as #79 regards plans. Hayato's plan is better assuming competency, but you lot are too much muppets to use the info we'll have by D3/D4, and I don't feel like putting the game in the hands of hayato, because I'm totally getting lynched by then. Thus, use the compulsory fruit circle.

Actually, I was gonna ask

Robo, can dead players have the alignments of everyone revealed to them?

Bulge pointing out stuff in favour of fruit circle is totally alignment neutral. It's like, 90% of the players who had spoken at that time were in favour of compulsory fruit circle. Giving reasons in favour of it takes no pretense that you aren't aligned with someone, because it's NULL-bulge speaking, not town-bulge or mafia-bulge. The votecount is easy to do and doesn't take any scum pretense. Calling out the lurkers is easy to do and doesn't take scum pretense. These aren't town-tells. Stop treating them like they are.

While an anti-town environment is good for scum, they can foster a pro-town appearance so they don't appear to be scum. A lot of what bulge has done is pro-town, but they're NOT town-tells.

[Bins]

zzz how can I have so many comprehension failures if I said one small thing that was true in response to one small comment you made
but sorry for misunderstanding if I actually did!

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

It's not just you. Fitz AND fish both had tons of points that were comprehension failure. And bulge's whole case was misrepmisrepmisrep.

[Formerfish]

You want to actually point out the fails? If not I'm just going to chalk this accusation up to deflection.

[Bins]

Oh, I thought you meant my other post. Makes sense.

I still think Bulge is town, lol.

You should probably mention the comprehension failures on things of other than why Bulge is scum. Like... why you aren't scum and if we have any reads wrong about that.

[Bins]

(Which we obviously will have if you're town).

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Screw this.

I suck at argument, so I'm not playing your game anymore.

Haven't played with bulge before, said scum-bulge, meant just scum. It'd be a bit weird if everything bulge posted came from scum-aronis.

Bulge's case comes after he decided I'm scum, tons of stuff in there fits this. He takes points that are mostly irrelevant just to bash me.

Fitz and fish's points all look like they decided I'm scum, went at my iso for stuff that could be used to call me scummy. Idk how I do it. I say something innocuous and someone later says it's scum-siv.

Your reads are all confbiased and I can't fight that. Even if I DID have good arguments.

Being active has failed so time for plan B.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

#150 is me addressing some of the comprehension and I guess in some cases context-fails.

[Formerfish]

That's funny that you accuse everyone who scum reads you as having confbias. I actually just read the thread straight through without knowing what was going on later and came to scum you. It looks like Fitz did the same thing. But it doesn't matter because you are taking your (scum) ball and going home because us mean bullies are being mean.

Does this mean you won't be addressing any of the questions I posed in my catch up post? Cause that would make me sad and happy at the same time. Sad because you would avoid accountability for anything and happy because you are probably scum.

By all means though, try yo discredit our reads more without ever actually arguing them.

[havingfitz]

^ What he said....

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Idk what else to call it.

I'm not answering questions anymore because it's 1v4 and I can't keep up. Even though bulge and bins aren't really doing much, I can't deal with it.

UNVOTE: The bulge

[havingfitz]

Being defeatist and avoiding discussion is either weak town or frustrated scum. If you're scum...by all means...carry on.

If you are town...don't give in. At the very least voice your top 2 or 3 suspects and why.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Idk I've been stuck in my own head for a bit too long. Don't actually have reads on anyone.

[Formerfish]

Boo fucking hoo.

You think our 4 deep scum team decided to gang up on you?

[Formerfish]

You have no reads. None at all?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Spoiler: Siv whining about the unfairness of mafia

Hayato town.
Bins kinda town.

Bulge probably still scum.

Everyone else i don't have a clue.

Pedit: No I don't. I don't have any.

[havingfitz]

Siv...what are your reads on TSO, innocentvillager and Hayato?

[havingfitz]

Siv...what are your reads on TSO, innocentvillager and Hayato?

^ might require some ISO s.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

TSO. Idk. Part of me thinks town but the rest says it's just pro-town stuff. Definitely wouldn't want to lynch him, though.

Innocent I really don't know at all. I can't tell off his two posts anything either way.

Hayato, if scum, is playing with fire in multiple ways. Continuing to do weird, against the norm stuff after he got voted initially for his plan is rather brave.

[havingfitz]

@don_johnson:

• Why are you voting mathbandit?
  Did you ever check out the facts from post 120?
  Who are your top three suspects and why?
  Who are your top three town?

To innocentvillager and T S O:

• Who are your top three suspects and why?
  Who are your top three town?
  Why aren't you guys voting anyone?
  
  @IV...WTF aren't you posting more? Are you lurking? Confused? What are you thinking?

At everyone

....are we all on board with the decision to give fruit to the person below us in the list in Post 0?

[Aronis]

YES!