NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[chamber]

chamber does a lot of talking about he isn't defending the people he keeps voicing concern about votes for etc

I've literally never voiced concern over CES votes.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: VitaminR

current votecount should be approx:

Votecount

Cogito Ergo Sum (6) -- Sotty7, Yosarian2, Bookitty, DrippingGoofball, mathcam, STD
VitaminR (2) -- undo, MrBuddyLee
DrippingGoofball (4) -- petroleumjelly, Porochaz, Green Crayons, OhGodMyLife
Sotty7 (1) -- SpyreX
Yosarian2 (4) -- Albert B. Rampage, VitaminR, chamber, Cogito Ergo Sum
OGML (3) -- chamber, DGB, Albert

Not voting:
17 alive, 9 to lynch.

[Porochaz]

DGB is the only decent option in that votecount. CES is playing differently to my (f2f) meta on him, which worries me, but it's different from both his town and scum meta. Like PJ I would prefer to lynch players who are actually scummy. There is a lot of crap throughout the whole game for DGB, not just page 3.

[MrBuddyLee]

Poro, DGB, thoughts on VitaminR?

[MrBuddyLee]

Detracting from the undo wagon would likely just end in DGB getting lynched, but he's a serious consideration for a later date now, I want to review his older play.

Yesssss.

Man, VitR, I just feel like you were constantly trying to have your cake and eat it too this game. I'm trying to figure out what you meant by "Yessssssss." above. Did you mean you found undo scummy, or DGB scummy, or what?


Because you didn't really find DGB scummy:

I really don't think a DGB lynch is a good idea.

DGB, you should make posts like Post 1436 more often.

and you just got done telling me that you didn't find undo scummy:

The part that I agreed with Glork about was the second sentence, not the first. It was just saying that I too found undo's analysis a little too self-serving, not that I wanted to lynch him. I didn't really note it as particularly scummy in my own mind.

Any idea what you actually meant by that "Yesssssss"?

Also, VitR, what's your current opinion of DGB? I can't find any comments from you on her or the recent wagons on her.

[MrBuddyLee]

Ah, answered my own question there.. nevermind the "Yessss." question, VitR.

[chamber]

but it's different from both his town and scum meta.

I would second this, I'm not comfortable calling him either atm.

[VitaminR]

I happen to know CES quite well and I feel like there are way more town tells in his play so far than usual. He stuck his neck out to make a case against you Day 1, which he wouldn't do as scum (I noted this at the time). He also very quickly read chamber as town Day 1, in the same way that I did, which makes me think we're approaching the game the same way. The way he has reacted to ABR's case on me I think also fits more with him as town, but I'm less certain about that tell.

I defended them because I think they're town (still pretty sure about chamber,

maybe less about CES

), which comes from knowing them well.

What.

What's your problem? All the stuff I list there is about Day 1 and he's been kinda absent since then. I still think he's town, but I'm no longer absolutely confident of it (I've also been wrong a lot, something has to be wrong somewhere).

[VitaminR]

You've made clear that you're voting for me because you don't like that I kept attacking you and didn't back down. Of course that's illegitimate.

And, frankly, I don't believe that I "didn't make sense to you"; I think I was speaking quite clearly, and I'm sure I made myself pretty well understood.

I'm not going to go into the rest of it, because it's starting to become a pointless back-and-forth. Do you want me to list all the people who said there was something off about your attacks? I'm not the only one who doesn't think you were being reasonable in your attacks and the fact that you are holding that as a point against me (but not as a point against anyone else) is totally insincere.

[VitaminR]

The more I read the post the more it looks like it is written by scum:

Vote: Sotty

I've agonized about this a little in my head, but I think it's the best option. I still think her play with regard to LML looked bad and her votes have largely been easy ones.

I'm very intrigued by Sotty's last few posts, which have all focused on how there's nothing for her to argue against. There's no "The wagon is wrong because..." or "A better wagon is blah because..." She even goes so far as to call the wagon unfair. Whether or not this is true, this does paint to me a slight picture of scum bemoaning being caught for circumstances out of her control, annoyed that she played the game carefully enough to have nothing to actually be attacked for, and yet got caught away. I'm sure this is partly me trying to retroactively justify the wagon, but it sounds pretty reasonable.

I sort of had the same feeling. I also don't really like how she's using the fact that ABR called my case poor without coming out and calling it that herself. Seems a little disingenuous. If you think it's poor, say so. If you don't, don't use it in your defense.

As I mentioned above, the "agonized" language does not seem genuine to me at all.

The formatting of the post is also interesting because VitaminR immediately separates out his own "agonizing" language by quoting mathcam so that his post ends up with a different emphasis. Much like how VitaminR may have been using Glork as a shield early in the game, he is now using mathcam's reasoning as a shield. It seems whenever VitaminR is voting a Townsperson he has to cite somebody else's reasons, but when he was voting for LoudmouthLee it was all himself. This suggests he wants the credit when go "right" and wants to be "led astray" by others' thoughts when things go wrong.

Oh, come on. The formatting of my post is scummy? If you have a gut feeling I'm scummy, then that's a shame but fine. Don't bother me with this nonsense. I was the only to outline a case on Sotty, way before anything mathcam said. It's total BS to say that I was using mathcam as a shield.

[VitaminR]

Also, MBL, you keep accusing me of using people for "cover". I do sometimes read other people's posts and sometimes I agree with them. Sometimes they even change my mind!

[MrBuddyLee]

Sigh.
Sotty votes CES and suspects DGB but not VitR.
PJ suspects DGB and VitR but not CES.
undo doesn't have a read on CES, hasn't suspected DGB in a month, and wants to hang VitR.
You'd like to think they're not ALL wrong at this point.

imo, Spyrex and the Yos voters should pick a mason and wagon up.

Sotty and undo aren't the least bit interested in a Yos wagon and PJ doesn't appear much more so.

[SpyreX]

I'm not picking a mason.

Unvote, Vote: OGML

I'm not voting DGB. Yos is a reallllly hard sell. I prefer this to CES by a wide margin.

Due to being blind in one eye I have tomorrow off yay so I'll be around.

[Porochaz]

Poro, DGB, thoughts on VitaminR?

The defence of CES has been a problem for me. The fact that he is now backing out of that somewhat also has me worried, I find he has undermined himself. However at this point he might be damned either way in this regard.

I wouldn't be comfortable lynching him today however, there are better more viable options here.

[Porochaz]

Due to being blind in one eye I have tomorrow off yay so I'll be around.

Tonight is deadline.

[chamber]

Right now I think I'm sad that we aren't lynching bookitty.

[Bookitty]

I'm having some serious issues at work (not personally, but several people I like and work with are being let go). I'm currently on the leading CES wagon, and I would also be willing to move to VitaminR. I'm not lynching Yos today. I will be around before but not precisely at deadline, so I will do my best to ensure a lynch today.

[Bookitty]

Right now I think I'm sad that we aren't lynching bookitty.

Right now I'm sad that you're on a wagon that apparently started after the last time I was able to check the thread on Sunday. You do know that we're on a deadline, right?

[chamber]

Right now I think I'm sad that we aren't lynching bookitty.

Right now I'm sad that you're on a wagon that apparently started after the last time I was able to check the thread on Sunday. You do know that we're on a deadline, right?

The wagon I was on was a mason (again) would you rather I had kept my vote there?

[Green Crayons]

What's your problem? All the stuff I list there is about Day 1 and he's been kinda absent since then. I still think he's town, but I'm no longer absolutely confident of it (I've also been wrong a lot, something has to be wrong somewhere).

I think CES has been consistent the entire game in how he's playing, and so I don't see what basis you would have to change your opinion on him.


Happy with my DGB vote.

[Green Crayons]

I would vote CES over OGML.

I would vote Vitamin and OGML, but don't want to. I don't have a preference of one over the other.

I would not vote Yos.


But, I'm happy with my DGB vote.

[Green Crayons]

CES over OGML and Vitamin*

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm going to push a Yosarian deadline lynch.

Unvote, vote Yosarian

[VitaminR]

I think CES has been consistent the entire game in how he's playing, and so I don't see what basis you would have to change your opinion on him.

I just said that I am

maybe

a little less sure about it, since a bunch of my reads have turned out wrong. I'm not getting why this is a big deal to you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Amusing how there's no consensus among the masons.