Micro 377: Vengeballs. OVER!!!

[Clusk92]

Sorry for the absence guys. Detailed catch up post will be coming tomorrow.

[DoctorPepper]

Vote Count 1.02

NakedJogger(3)

- Clusk92, ZZZX, Skelda

aphix(1)

- Bullish

Csareo(1)

- aphix

Espressojet(1)

- Dr Pants

ZZZX(1)

- NakedJogger

Not Voting(2)

- Espressojet, Csareo

Vote History:

Skelda - NakedJogger
NakedJogger - Dr Pants, ZZZX
Bullish - aphix
aphix - Clusk92, Espressojet, Csareo
ZZZX - Espressojet, NakedJogger
Espressojet - The Entire Freaking Playerlist, UNVOTE
Clusk92 - NakedJogger
Csareo - Clusk92, Dr Pants, UNVOTE
Dr Pants - ZZZX, Csareo, Espressojet

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is on Saturday, August 30, 2014, 7:00 PM {(expired on 2014-08-30 19:00:00)}

Mod notes:

None for now

[Csareo]

Well..................................... anyone have something to say?
Seeing the bote history, there appears to be a lot of hopping going around.
Quite a bit of lurking as well.

[Csareo]

*vote.
Come on guys. It has been almost 18 hours without a post.

[Espressojet]

I'm confident on NakedJogger/ZZZX being scum, most likely from different teams.

Sinus headache's gone, so that's an improvement

[Csareo]

I want to start a pressure wagon on one of the two.
There isn't enough information on ZZZx, which in itself is a scum tell.
If enough people are in, I would like to put the pressure on Nakedjogger.

Expresso, can you give a reads list?

[Skelda]

NakedJogger is at L-2 already. I don't know that ZZZX is scum, but I think someone who has been quiet is. Possibly him, though I actually lean town on his slot.

[Dr Pants]

you shouldnt

hes known for playing well as lurky scum

i think hes scum and clusk is town amongst the lurkers

my scum reads currently are espresso, skelda, naked jogger, and aphix. zzzx is worrying because hes lurking, but he hasn't done anything "scummy"

[aphix]

Care to back any of that up with reasons Pants?

[Dr Pants]

reads on nj and espresso have reasons, reads on you and skelda are pure gut

[Csareo]

You have way to many scum reads for my tastes.

[Csareo]

Scum reads should be definite. If you have 4 reads already, then you are making your scum reads hold less merit.
I think it is illogical to have any scum reads this early in the game. I have some scum tells under a few players book, but I'm very cautious about labelling people scum or town this early on.
Decisions need to be thought out and careful.

[Dr Pants]

well then thats your opinion

i scum hunt mostly by reacting to things. i see things, i react. this gives me flash reads which strengthen or weaken as the game goes on. eventually, i see something that pings a strong scum tell and i hunt that person into the ground. but if i dont push people early, then i dont get the content i need to put together a good case later.

[FakedBlogger]

Dr Pants and ZZZX are scum from the same team. We'd do good to lynch one of them and if it's not the godfather lynch the next one tomorrow. I bet Dr Pants is Godfather but I'll never get a majority on him now that 2 people and a goat tunnelvision me and say `that's scummy` regardless of what I say. No worries, I'm going to shoot one of them and I trust you guys will lynch the other.

VOTE: ZZZX

Eww. Scum alert!

VOTE: ZZZX

Finding the shittiest justification for a vote and run with it like no one would notice?
Not my cup of tea.

What's scummy about a naked vote?

I want to start a pressure wagon on one of the two.
There isn't enough information on ZZZx, which in itself is a scum tell.
If enough people are in, I would like to put the pressure on Nakedjogger.

Expresso, can you give a reads list?

Just vote me then. Why are you treading so carefully?

[Skelda]

That vote was scummy because as soon as the slightest mention of ZZZx being suspicious came up, you started running with that. With how active ZZZx has been, I don't think anyone should have a strong read on him. That isn't a unique read, it was an excuse to get on a wagon you'd hoped was taking off.

As for Pants, I don't know. He could go either way for me. If he is scum, I definitely see him as a Goon though, so I don't think I plan on pushing his lynch, at least not today.

[Clusk92]

Gonna go through the posts from the start because I haven't actually read anything yet. Apologies if anything I say has already been covered.

In 18 Csareo says we need to take our time and then encourages people to join an RVS wagon, not sure if serious?

27 is a lazy defence to being scumread imo. It also encourages WIFOM. Do not like.

30 - is not voting in RVS scummy? News to me.

Don't like Skelda's opening post in 35, which is pure strategy talk, which is distracting to town in a setup that doesn't even need that much strategy apart from the usual 'lynch scum' imo. I also think the logic is flawed, every kill in this game is unlikely to be town-controlled, as 4 out of 9 people are scum. Vengekilling can be better than lynching because it comes from a townie perspective. Not wanting vengekills is very much scum-motivated as they can't influence vengekills like they can lynches. Anyway, that's all the strategy talk I'll be doing this game.

Regarding 52, I think this is weak reasoning for a vote. Aggressive town players say stuff like this all the time, it's not scummy. In fact I remember Dr Pants saying I was '100% scum' on day 1 when he was town in our previous game (and he was right) so it doesn't mean anything at all really. And then you go and do the very same thing you accuse him of doing and state that he's 'scummier than scum'.

56 is the truth regarding Espresso's meta. I will also add that the two games I played with him in which he was scum he was just as laid back as he is in this game. This is worrying me.

62 - you didn't think the scumreads were serious? Seemed pretty serious to me. Poor defense again.

79 - useless contentless agreement post, not helpful. ZZZX's lurkiness is bad news based on meta.

80 - talk about sitting on the fence

I like 84, townpoints for you

91 - too much agreeing, it feels like you're trying to not piss anyone off so you don't get vengekilled.

92 and93 - why FOS and then unvote? What assumptions?

113 - make some waves please Espresso. You don't seem to find anyone scummy so far and I don't like it.

125 - links please.

130- what would be your opinion on people who don't scumhunt then?
I don't like your excuses for your lack of scumhunting. First it's because it takes time for you to develop your reads, and now it's because you're ill. Stop stalling.

145 - nasty naked vote. Is this a pressure vote or because you think he's scum?

161 - What's wrong with 4 scumreads in a game with 4 scum? There's more scum in the game so naturally there will be more scummy behaviour to help people scumread.



I'd like to lynch Espresso or ZZZX today, Espresso for trying to blend in and not piss anyone off and ZZZX for his lurkiness and prod dodging. It reminds me of the scum game I was with him in. The last town game I played with him he was active and scumhunting.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Espresso for now

[Clusk92]

To add to the above, all Bullish has done all game is post about strategy, which I don't like. Apart from one post where he says two people are scum with no reasoning.

105 he says the optimal strategy for town is to hunt scum. Why don't you start doing it then?

[FakedBlogger]

That vote was scummy because as soon as the slightest mention of ZZZx being suspicious came up, you started running with that. With how active ZZZx has been, I don't think anyone should have a strong read on him. That isn't a unique read, it was an excuse to get on a wagon you'd hoped was taking off.

Someone said he lurks as scum and his comment about dayvigs seemed off. Was I supposed to factor in how it would look from your perspective that I vote him. Maybe as scum I would've.

[Dr Pants]

As for Pants, I don't know. He could go either way for me. If he is scum, I definitely see him as a Goon though, so I don't think I plan on pushing his lynch, at least not today.

eh what
so i could be scum, but you arent going to hunt me because if im scum im a goon? how does that make any sense?

[Csareo]

Quick theory question. Since lynching the godfather eliminates the goon, and town will eventually have to lynch the godfather (who brings the goon down with him), I would say goon reads shouldn't be lynched.
It seems like that would just be a fools errand.

It is a mafia phenomenon. His scum meta is to be inactive.

[Csareo]

I am leaning towards a nakedjogger lynch today, and maybe expresso.
I'm now wholly convinced that either is scum.

[Dr Pants]

having a "goon" read is stupid

if you think someone is scum, you should lynch them. you have no way to know whether or not they are a godfather, and trying to hunt for the godfather instead means town is looking for 2 players instead of 4. its bad strategy.

[Clusk92]

And how exactly are you gonna separate your scumreads into Godfather and Goon categories? Do you think the Godfather will be more careful in his play?

[Skelda]

As for Pants, I don't know. He could go either way for me. If he is scum, I definitely see him as a Goon though, so I don't think I plan on pushing his lynch, at least not today.

eh what
so i could be scum, but you arent going to hunt me because if im scum im a goon? how does that make any sense?

Isn't it preferable to lynch Godfathers over Goon? I mean obviously any scum is preferable to Town, but I'd rather get a Godfather if possible. But I don't have a confident read on you either way, so it doesn't matter. I find you a bit annoying, which I always want to translate into suspicious. Clearly that isn't always accurate though.

[Skelda]

And how exactly are you gonna separate your scumreads into Godfather and Goon categories? Do you think the Godfather will be more careful in his play?

Depends on the person. Some people are loud and obnoxious no matter what, which might be the case with Pants here.