Mini 1597: Runecast Mafia - Day 5

[TunnelMates]

Don't know bout you guys, but two vigs? :/

What's wrong with that?

Odd can mean 'strange' or opposite of even. Something wrong with wanting to know which it was?

No comment. I still feel like you were being intentionally obtuse.

Glad you stopped being my guardian angel, though, Konowa. It was getting creepy; felt like you were buddying me hard. And I can at least say I've put in a lot more effort than Scorched_Earth.

On the contrary, this feels like you budddying Konowa. And in this post you seem really preoccupied with how you present yourself.

@Ansuz: why did you save your shot N1

So now that I have absorbed MantisDreamz's essence, what do I do with it?

she had a similar train of thought? what do you mean by this

[TunnelMates]

Lynx feels like scum. I'm not feeling great about the B_E lynch, but it's kind of like when someone is JKed in a Newbie, and no one dies, eventually you gotta lynch the JKed person or...

I read back the end of Day 2, halfway now.

town (S-> W): d3x (hider clear), kthxbye, Thor....gap...Konowa...gap...Osseus

i really have no idea, it's a coin flip: burning earth

i just dont trust them ever so it doesnt matter what my read is: ansuz

scum: lynx

[TunnelMates]

That doesn't look like a 'Night 3 Strong Willed' to me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest he lied about that.

Looks like a lie.

Also, guys B_E if scum can just come over the top and hammer Konowa while we test her/his loved/hated status so...not really supportive of that

[TunnelMates]

I had to look this up for myself since I have never seen this modifier before.

Strong-Willed

Strong-Willed is a role modifier; it usually means that the player's abilities cannot be redirected or Roleblocked. However, any result that may be attained can still be tampered with by roles that alter informational results, such as Framer. In short, it greatly increases the chance of the player's ability working like the player wants it to.

Some moderators will ambiguously use this to mean that the strong-willed player cannot be recruited (by Cult, Neighborizer, and so forth). If you are not sure, consult with the moderator.

[Ansuz]

Why do you think scum shot Mantis? I would consider that a sub-optimal shot for them at this stage.

I could see scum shooting mantis because of a positive PR result on mantis.
I could see scum passing up shooting the more obvious targets (d3x) because of protection worries and in turn shooting someone who seemed pretty town.
What is your working theory for what happened last night?

I can see a couple of possibilities and consider the entire thing very strange - which is why I'm questioning people who seem to feel it's very obvious.
I would say the one that concerns you the most is the idea that you are the scum kill being passed off as a Vig kill and that the Mantis kill was Ger's kill and/or Ger was prevented by a scum Doc/BP.

I think the idea geraintm shot Mantis is a little silly.

[Ansuz]

@Ansuz: why did you save your shot N1

I think it's a good idea when you're town with a one-shot vig in a mini to hold your shot until the game goes to evens or you have a good shot that you can take of someone who's already claimed. When you're taking a shot on odds, you're taking a mislynch away from the rest of the town: I'd rather not take that mislynch away without complete information (aka a claim).

[LynxKuroneko]

@ TunnelMates -
1) So you're questioning my comment about two vigs, but didn't bother to ask B_E why he voted Ansuz for claiming vig? Sure.

2) Wasn't being obtuse. Was being acute.

3) Not sure how I was buddying Konowa at all.

4) When I say absorbed Mantis's essence, I literally mean it.

* * * Literally * * *

[TunnelMates]

So you're questioning my comment about two vigs, but didn't bother to ask B_E why he voted Ansuz for claiming vig? Sure.

Yet you dodged the question. That raises red flags. Burning Earth appears to have thrown in the towel either as indifferent town or scum giving in, so I don't have anything to talk to him about since he has been asked countless questions this game day and has ignored them all.

Spoiler: towel waving posts of today

Ansuz claimed vig after geraintm's death?

VOTE: Ansuz

Oh odd-night hider I see.

Yeah I mean I don't know why the scum didn't target me, that was a real weird move by them. Idiots.

I was hid behind.

The hider is not dead.

I have the largest wagon? Seriously?

Oh odd-night hider I see.

Yeah I mean I don't know why the scum didn't target me, that was a real weird move by them. Idiots

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Now that I'm looking at the posts, this line sounds the most insincere of all.

[TunnelMates]

I think I shall confirm Lynx as town or scum tonight over anyone else. He needs to die with me (if he's town) or be confirmed scum before this goes anywhere near end game.

Is sacrificing yourself as a free NK really worth that?

[LynxKuroneko]

There's nothing wrong with two vigs. Its down to whether we believe there are two vigs or question the second vig claim.

So you can lower your 'red flags' (I bet you were happy to type that, eh?), and maybe try helping town figure out what actions to take.

There's a reason I've called B_E dead-weight for a while

To town:

1) Are we lynching B_E tonight?

2) If so, I'm most likely going to investigate Ansuz to secure his claim.

[Kthxbye]

2) If so, I'm most likely going to investigate Ansuz to secure his claim.

claiming an investigative role?

[Konowa]

Something, something LynxKuroneko "absorbed" Mantisdreamz essence, meaning LynxKuroneko probably is an ability cop now?

[Kthxbye]

Has anyone looked back to see if Mantis crumbed any info? I have not the time to do so atm.

[LynxKuroneko]

Yay, Konowa wins a prize!

What is that prize?

Who knows!? But you won it!

[LynxKuroneko]

Only claiming because of this.

[Thor665]

I think the idea geraintm shot Mantis is a little silly.

Certainly not as silly as the idea scum did with what is claimed.

Is there anything in Ger's commentary you're using to reach this conclusion.

This game is really bugging me because over half the players here sound like they're playing for a scum wincon right now.

[Konowa]

The idea of ger shooting Mantisdreamz is pretty silly, Thor665. Thor665 should read ger D2 in regards to Mantisdreamz.

[Konowa]

This is all trivial at this point, because Burning_Earth needs lynching. Then game can probably be won tomorrow and then Konowa can finally stop talking like this.

[Kthxbye]

Are we testing Konowa today or not?

[LynxKuroneko]

Divine hells, if its that important.

Vote: Konowa

Progress is good.

[Konowa]

Really don't see the reason as Thor665 pointed out, Konowa did lose Konowa's vote after appropriate slips which validates Konowa's posting restriction, but if this is going to be a thing there should be no more votes until Burning_Earth votes.

[Thor665]

The idea of ger shooting Mantisdreamz is pretty silly, Thor665. Thor665 should read ger D2 in regards to Mantisdreamz.

Okay.
Well, with the awareness that Ger could not be blocked or redirected - where is his kill then?
I would like to think no town would protect Osseus.
So - scum doc? Scum BP?
To my mind that woul dmake him a more clear cut scum than B_E - yes/no?

[Konowa]

I was hid behind.

The hider is not dead.

I have the largest wagon? Seriously?

Oh odd-night hider I see.

Yeah I mean I don't know why the scum didn't target me, that was a real weird move by them. Idiots.

Konowa doesn't know where the NK is.

Konowa believes that Burning_Earth should be lynched off of these two posts in combination with the fact that Burning_Earth didn't die despite kthxbye saying loudly that kthxbye would hide behind Burning_Earth. The lack of shot there is more telling than anything else if Thor665 wants to do NKA.

The second post is practically a scum claim.

[Thor665]

Please don't try to convince me that B_E looks scummy. I do not wish to debate that, and as I indicated I think a vast number of players are trying very hard to justify themselves as scum today.

Please address the specific questin of why scum not shooting B_E and shooting Mollie (which I agree is lulzy) is *more* scummy than someone surviving an unblockable and announced prior to night shot.
I just want to understand that.

[TunnelMates]

4) When I say absorbed Mantis's essence, I literally mean it.

* * * Literally * * *

The role/ability makes sense with it being runecast. In addition, I played an Ace Attorney game with Ffery once where I had this role where I could get a dead person's role and have it become mine.