Open 566: Murder on the Oriental Express (Game Over)

[farside22]

This last chaos post makes me really wish we had the time to get a train there going. That post is rough man. Sounds

so

contrived.

I'd like to know what happened to your thoughts on chaos at the end of th day to joining the bw on bel today.

[acryon]

This last chaos post makes me really wish we had the time to get a train there going. That post is rough man. Sounds

so

contrived.

I'd like to know what happened to your thoughts on chaos at the end of th day to joining the bw on bel today.

The entire end of the last day I was on scum-Bel. I only switched to Skelda because I had a scum feeling on both but the Bel wagon got no traction. I still think that Chaos is scum, but I'm interested in Bel pressure ATM. I'll come back to chaos.

[Baezu]

Vote Count 2.01

Curiouskarmadog : (1) Belisarius
Chaoslord54: (1) Farside22
Farside22: (1) NakedJogger
Belisarius: (2) Amy Farrah Fowler, acryon

Not Voting: scrambles, Curiouskarmadog , Snugglyduckling, Chaoslord54, Ranon, RoyalApe, TobyLoby

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-09-26 16:55:00)

Mod Notes:
None

[TobyLoby]

Isn't it obvious?

I haven't been playing Mafia for seven years. You haven't been playing Mafia for seven years.

Yeah, yeah, I know, playing a lot doesn't mean playing well, but you don't play for seven years without picking up a thing or two.

farside couldn't start or get on a wagon that got anywhere yesterday. I don't see what is to be feared about that or her at the very least in this game. I'm just assuming you don't think she is obvtown.

I feel like right now if one of Beli/CKD/Chaos is scum then so are the other two.

You seriously believe the *entire* scumteam piled onto one lynch?

Have you ever been scum before?

It can and does happen: VCA Stats Here.

[TobyLoby]

The Skelda lynch shouldn't have happened, and I don't know why it did.

I feel like right now if one of Beli/CKD/Chaos is scum then so are the other two.

Chaos was the largest BW in the game at one point (I think, correct me if I'm wrong). CKD came in and tried his hardest to change to a different bandwagon in order to avoid a scumbuddy getting lynched. He was successful.
Pretty early on in the game Chaos blatantly sheeped one of Beli's votes within two posts. Chaos is fairly new, so it's something that's not too unexpected.
In-thread they don't really pay too much attention to one another.

A Beli lynch should've happened yesterday. We were close. Let's make it happen now.

Vote: Belisarius

You just gave a bunch of reasoning of why Chaos and CKD are prob scum but not so much Beli. Why aren't you voting either of them over Beli?

Where did you disappear off to last day btw.

[TobyLoby]

Or really, why the vote for Beli over either of them is a better question.

[Belisarius]

Or really, why the vote for Beli over either of them is a better question.

More to the point, scumBeli is easy to lynch, but wagons on townBeli almost always fall apart under the weight of their own shitness.

I welcome wagons on me.

[farside22]

I have this crazy thing in my head of chaos/acryon scum together.
First I noted acryon light defense of chaos, then end of day says he'd like to put pressure. Earlier his comments were thus:

He's valuable as a future mislynch? What? I don't think Chaos has made himself particularly anything. People talk about Chaos and his wagon being something to look into but I'm not seeing the votes constructed that way. It's all bs.

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but I took it as him saying Chaos is valuable to

scum

as a future mislynch, which I agree with. The best thing for scum is keeping people around that town is generally suspicious of. I don't think it was intentional, but certainly his early comments read as scum to people very quickly. This is great for scum.

Wifom.

Chaos has made no effort, vote skelda for weak reasoning and I swear people are jumping on bel for the same thing. Lack of reads and little said. Why is one more scummy then the other?

[SnugglyDuckling]

What is the Rule of Three? I've heard of a lot of different ones but none of them really seem to apply to Mafia

[Belisarius]

When scum lists off three scumspects in a post, it's usually one scumbuddy and two townies.

[TobyLoby]

Why not vote for the scum making the list instead of the potential scum in the list if that's the case?

farside, my initial theory yesterday was a scum acyron was maybe trying to get off of a town chaos lynch yesterday and then avoid being on the wagon that looked to go forward. His vote on Skelda did make that lynch final though, so it can't at the very least be entirely true. I disagree with him that the Skelda lynch had the most potential though, as I held some doubt on Beli and you seemed to have more of a town read on Skelda than Beli. I'll go more into things later tonight.

[TobyLoby]

Beli, do you agree with Amy's and farside's read on Chaos?

[Belisarius]

Nope! I don't grok the case on chaos at all. Chaos is just lynchbait.

[curiouskarmadog]

Well I really thought Skeleda was scum (shrug)

Come to think of it, the Rule of Three applies here.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Wait what? Did you even read the game yesterday?

oh I get it reverse karma.

Alright, CKD, you win a sheep.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skelda

I'm not happy about my lack of scumreads this late in the Day. There's

got

to be something usable here...

oh wait you did read the game.

--

So why a Dry fit kill?

His vote was on Chaos before he flipped to Bel (then Skelda) just to get a lynch.

Maybe farside is right.

Still think Bel is town…

Vote Chaos

[curiouskarmadog]

also, have a theory...going to keep to myself. if you think that is scummy. vote me.

[SnugglyDuckling]

Does anybody think both Belisarius and curiouskarmadog could be scum together?

[Belisarius]

AFF does.

[farside22]

Why not vote for the scum making the list instead of the potential scum in the list if that's the case?

farside, my initial theory yesterday was a scum acyron was maybe trying to get off of a town chaos lynch yesterday and then avoid being on the wagon that looked to go forward. His vote on Skelda did make that lynch final though, so it can't at the very least be entirely true. I disagree with him that the Skelda lynch had the most potential though, as I held some doubt on Beli and you seemed to have more of a town read on Skelda than Beli. I'll go more into things later tonight.

The one quote from acryon isn't the only thing.
It's something I'm consider if chaos is scum.

Does anybody think both Belisarius and curiouskarmadog could be scum together?

Not me. I thought CKD had put together a case on skelda most seemed to follow. Scum is on that skelda wagon.

[chaoslord54]

So I'm thinking my strongest scumvibe is Amy. My reasoning is that she pushed for a Beli wagon yesterday, but started to get off of it and lean towards me but then she disappeared for quite some time and then comes back, post evidence that seems to be against me but then votes Beli. It comes off a little fishy for me.

Vote: Amy Farrah Fowler

[curiouskarmadog]

So I'm thinking my strongest scumvibe is Amy. My reasoning is that she pushed for a Beli wagon yesterday, but started to get off of it and lean towards me but then she disappeared for quite some time and then comes back, post evidence that seems to be against me but then votes Beli. It comes off a little fishy for me.

Vote: Amy Farrah Fowler

so if she voted you, would she still be fishy?

[scrambles]

@chaos
Regarding the aff evidence. How do you feel about beli?

[chaoslord54]

So I'm thinking my strongest scumvibe is Amy. My reasoning is that she pushed for a Beli wagon yesterday, but started to get off of it and lean towards me but then she disappeared for quite some time and then comes back, post evidence that seems to be against me but then votes Beli. It comes off a little fishy for me.

Vote: Amy Farrah Fowler

so if she voted you, would she still be fishy?

To be honest a little bit. The reasoning behind this is that if she's posting evidence against someone but then votes a different way it comes off fishy. If she had voted me at least it would make more sense since she seemed to have been trying to build a case against me. Her vote against Beli though just comes off scummy.

[chaoslord54]

@Scrambles

In all honesty Beli never real came off as scummy to me. The cases that have been built against him especially TobyLoby's seem very shallow and to be honest I feel like scum is trying to maneuver a mislynch by trying to get Beli lynched. I say Beli is town

[Baezu]

Vote Count 2.02

Farside22: (1) NakedJogger
Amy Farrah Fowler: (1) Chaoslord54
Belisarius: (2) Amy Farrah Fowler, acryon
Curiouskarmadog : (1) Belisarius
Chaoslord54: (2) Farside22, Curiouskarmadog

Not Voting: scrambles, Snugglyduckling, Ranon, RoyalApe, TobyLoby

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-09-26 16:55:00)

Mod Notes:
None

[scrambles]

Interesting. I understand that the case isnt very solid against beli, but I feel that there's something there. I never feel like good cases ever appear against scum, its more just a feeling. I understand if you dont feel that way but try giving him another reread. Im sure you will agree that there is a vibe.