NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[Cephrir]

I'm a VT.

[TheWayItEnds]

Ceeeeepppphhhhiiiir.

Talk to me.

[Cephrir]

Who's Cephir? :p

What would you like to talk about? When you say setup, do you just mean "is Cabd scum"?

[TheWayItEnds]

Not really.... Except that now I'm liking the bodyguard claim more than I would have liked a doc claim.

Which puts me back on AP.

What I really wanna talk about is that there has to be a roleblocker in this game right?

Like you cant put 2 investigatives in a game and no roleblocker?

But then the N2 kill makes no sense?

How likely is like a restricted RB?

[TheWayItEnds]

Cause their cant be a full doc in this game.

Like literally cant.

With 2 investigatives.

And potentially resticted RB.

I could see a maf doc as the scumteams big power role.

Because it doubles as the GF against double gunsmith?

[TheWayItEnds]

But that would make Cabd the maf doc?

And like... you scum?

And if Cabd is odd night maf doc I could see that maybe being balanced.

[TheWayItEnds]

I think if Cabd is maf doc and theres also a RB and they have opposite day restrictions then this could still maybe be 3 scum?

I dunno.

Someone who designs games talk to me.

[TheWayItEnds]

3rd scum would have to be powered still.

Like encryptor or rolecop.

I could see that maybe?

[T S O]

this set-up spec is either really really well done or townish

[Aegor]

Catching up throughout today.

[T S O]

I don't get it - we're missing something here.

[T S O]

Depraved Justice was blocked n1 even though they were killing him. That means either he was roleblocked or his kill was stopped.

[T S O]

And that was why we lynched reinoe, of course.

But what if we were wrong? What if the hydra had mentioned a Mafioso in their vigpool and scum wouldn't take the risk?

[T S O]

We are vigging between Mirhawk Cephir and Reinoe.

We aren't vigging Aegor. Period. We probably aren't vigging Reinoe.

MOTHER OF FUCKING GOD

[T S O]

UNVOTE
VOTE: CEPHRIR

[T S O]

I mislynched reinoe on that and NO-ONE POINTED IT OUT

NO-ONE POINTED OUT THAT HE WASN'T THE TARGET

[T S O]

Vote this, now.

[T S O]

Townreads are not earned.

They simply are.

Sorry but no.

I believe in cause and effect.

He can't have a townread without having a reason for it.

But scrambles can have a scumread on me without having a reason for it, because it agrees with your opinion, right?

I feel very strongly town about TWIE TSO and IZA

I feel strongly scum on MVP, AP, REN, MIRHAWK

Any on else have the feeling that i zy is scum?

Can someone finish off toomai before Mirhawk gets bussed in.

I agree with Mir. At least ivy and toomai are scum.

Trust me

izy if you come after me, I will make it my job to Lynch you

first.

My townread on Cephrir is nothing new. You can go back on my ISO and see that I've agreed with many of his posts and felt they rang town.

My townread on T S O is also nothing new. Little has changed on it, even after reinoe's flip.

My townread on AP isn't really new, but is a bit more behind the scenes. From day 1, I've had a strong town lean on him based on his interactions with others. I did question it somewhat on Day 2 after going back and looking at the Day 1 voting, but I didn't find anything I found scummy enough to outweigh the town lean.

I didn't feel like reiterating reasons I've already stated, so I tried to keep it short for the sake of brevity. Look where it got us though. This was certainly not less cumbersome than if I had just copy/pasted my townreads from earlier. My reads have shifted somewhat, but not enough to warrant detailing the shift. If a read changes by a substantial amount, then I'd be sure to detail what has caused that shift.

If you have a problem with scrambles scumread on you why don't you take it up with him? I'm not sure why you think I should be questioning scumreads that you don't like.

If you feel Cephrir is town for making lots of protown posts I'm going to have to disagree. He's made enough crappy noncommittal posts to easily balance out any towncred he's managed to accumulate.

I don't really care about you're reads on TSO and AP, you read on Cephrir is the only one that interests me.

If you have a problem with scrambles scumread on you why don't you take it up with him? I'm not sure why you think I should be questioning scumreads that you don't like.

I was making a point. You were disgruntled that I posted townreads with no reasons attached, and yet never batted an eye when scrambles scumread me without a reason. It's a double-standard.

So, I was and am townreading Izzy, but I was re-reading and found this.

Izzy never answers the question about the Cephrir townread. Not in later posts either.

[T S O]

Izzy-Cephrir scumbuddies?

[T S O]

Was Mirhawk Gunsmith-cleared?

If he was, he could still theoretically be scum in a Doctor-Roleblocker scumteam, but if he's scum in any other scenario, Cephrir's still scum, I think.

[Cephrir]

I'm not scum and I do not seek to explain stupid vigging decisions.

[Cephrir]

Not really.... Except that now I'm liking the bodyguard claim more than I would have liked a doc claim.

Which puts me back on AP.

What I really wanna talk about is that there has to be a roleblocker in this game right?

Like you cant put 2 investigatives in a game and no roleblocker?

But then the N2 kill makes no sense?

How likely is like a restricted RB?

I give hypothetical scum Cabd enough credit to realize that a doc claim was functionally suicide.

2 investigatives in a pretty small game, probably deserves a roleblocker. However, it's also possible the balance is thrown out of whack by the possible gunsmith cc scenario. I don't know how I would balance that. If the RB was restricted, it would be sort of awkward that it would be unable to block either Cabd or MVP ever; I could see an argument for nonconsecutive, though that tends to just be odd night.

I could see a full roleblocker on a powerful 3 scum team (which would obviously contain a doctor), but then the MVP kill becomes some pretty strange WIFOM and I don't know why they would do it when MVP claiming roleblocked probably gets him lynched day 3.

Cause their cant be a full doc in this game.

Like literally cant.

With 2 investigatives.

And potentially resticted RB.

I could see a maf doc as the scumteams big power role.

Because it doubles as the GF against double gunsmith?

No, of course there couldn't. There would be, like, no possible scumteam in that situation that would make anything balanced, and it would be ridiculously swingy.

I think this setup is obviously designed for, and possibly around, a mafia doctor.

[Cephrir]

Izariael is not scum, and lynching him will result in a scum win as assuredly as lynching me.

[Cephrir]

I can only surmise that either the scum did something wacky night 1 (like roleblock DJ and shoot them to create precisely this situation, knowing all the targets were town), or they decided to be antitown and take a shot in the dark that they didn't mention, which is certainly possible from a hydra of those two players.

[Cephrir]

Who would think up a scheme like that I wonder? If you guessed Cabd, you are correct.