Open 566: Murder on the Oriental Express (Game Over)

[acryon]

Everything is within the context of a game; you can't try to exclude that. In the game we are in, no one has done it nearly as much as her, and given the rest of her posting history, her numerous naked reads are especially bad.

'Within the context of this game'

does not matter

. You are alleging that no town player would do this; that is an argument pertaining to a player's overall approach to participation in a game, which means that it is necessarily a universal argument, that could be applied in any given game, not just this one. 'She's doing Thing X more so than everyone else in this game'

is not the same

as 'She's more likely to do Thing X as scum than town'.

Stop saying "overall approach." Her naked reads this game have nothing to do with an approach; the vast majority of her posting is fluffy reads without reason. That's not an approach; that's scum trying to appear active and involved, but ultimately offering nothing.

Wow. Most of my townreads in this game haven't bern naked at all.

Y'all should realize acryonis very defensive for a guy with zero votes.

Interesting, because IIRC I quoted a whole bunch of them that were, in fact, naked.

[scrambles]

what's naked?

[acryon]

CDB - Are you trying to tell me that posting without actual substance with such repetition like Titus has isn't a scum-tell on any level?

[ChannelDelibird]

@CDB: Let's flip the script then. Why do you think she is town?

My argument is not that she's town, it's that you are not presenting a single good reason why she is more likely to be scum than town. I am arguing that the things that she is doing that you are calling scummy are in fact pretty damn null.

However, separately to that, I am leaning town on Titus mainly because I actually think it's relatively easy to figure out the thought processes behind her stated reads if you actually consider them. I've also already mentioned that, if Amy were to flip scum, I would think it more likely that Titus would be town in that scenario, though that's beside the current point.

[acryon]

@CDB: Let's flip the script then. Why do you think she is town?

My argument is not that she's town, it's that you are not presenting a single good reason why she is more likely to be scum than town. I am arguing that the things that she is doing that you are calling scummy are in fact pretty damn null.

However, separately to that, I am leaning town on Titus mainly because I actually think

it's relatively easy to figure out the thought processes behind her stated reads if you actually consider them

. I've also already mentioned that, if Amy were to flip scum, I would think it more likely that Titus would be town in that scenario, though that's beside the current point.

Really? Go ahead and explain some of those for me then. Especially if she is scum, then you "figuring out the thought processes" is completely wrong anyway.

[Green Crayons]

Most people don't go out of their way to make a big spiel about why they are town reading another player. That's one of the problems I had with Riddle's case against CDK: Riddle was comparing CDK's in-depth scum cases with CDK's less-in-depth town reads. Apples and oranges.

For a minimalist playstile like Titus has, it's not uncommon to see "<other player> is town" and not much else. So what? Who cares? If that other player flips scum, then it becomes relevant as to why Titus was reading that other player as town. If Titus later decides that that other player is scum, then it becomes relevant as to why Titus was previously reading that other player as town and why the switch. Until either of those events happen, though, a naked town call is null.

[Green Crayons]

CDK = CKD*, my bad

[ChannelDelibird]

@CDB:

OK. This is why I'm coming around to an acryon vote. CKD, consider this as a start to answering your question about 'who are the scum who wanted an Amy wagon to succeed?' in post 1147.

Eh? Only CDB, farside, and Riddle were on the Amy-wagon (per Post 1036).

Huh. I'd actually not realised that acryon had never voted for Amy. I had simply assumed that from posts like this and this that he must have been, as well as reactions like this and this to Amy's emotional blowup.

[acryon]

Most people don't go out of their way to make a big spiel about why they are town reading another player. That's one of the problems I had with Riddle's case against CDK: Riddle was comparing CDK's in-depth scum cases with CDK's less-in-depth town reads. Apples and oranges.

For a minimalist playstile like Titus has, it's not uncommon to see "<other player> is town" and not much else. So what? Who cares? If that other player flips scum, then it becomes relevant as to why Titus was reading that other player as town. If Titus later decides that that other player is scum, then it becomes relevant as to why Titus was previously reading that other player as town and why the switch. Until either of those events happen, though, a naked town call is null.

But it wasn't just her town-reads. She wasn't providing anything for her scum-reads either. It's just that her town-reads were

so

prevalent and never had even a single reason behind them.

[ChannelDelibird]

Scrambles, I ask because this is the most recent post of yours that I can find on an iso-scan declaring your list of scumreads (though acknowledging that you've since moved me to null-pending); let me know if I'm missing one. But now you're accusing Riddleton of "deliberately distorting content". So is

Riddleton on your scumlist now?

What does that mean for Titus and CKD?

Yeah that was only four hours ago. Someone doesn't just switch slots over one post.

So you think he was "deliberately distorting content" but is not scummy?

[Green Crayons]

She had two scum reads: scrambles and you. I'm pretty sure she explained her read on scrambles, and you dismissed it as bad. She called you scum after quoting a particular post of yours, so it's not hard to deduce why she thought you were scum (the reason: that post).


Working from memory.

[scrambles]

Scrambles, I ask because this is the most recent post of yours that I can find on an iso-scan declaring your list of scumreads (though acknowledging that you've since moved me to null-pending); let me know if I'm missing one. But now you're accusing Riddleton of "deliberately distorting content". So is

Riddleton on your scumlist now?

What does that mean for Titus and CKD?

Yeah that was only four hours ago. Someone doesn't just switch slots over one post.

So you think he was "deliberately distorting content" but is not scummy?

Did I say that?

[acryon]

She called you scum after quoting a particular post of yours, so it's not hard to deduce why she thought you were scum (the reason: that post).


Working from memory.

Sorry to say that didn't happen.

[ChannelDelibird]

So you think he was "deliberately distorting content" but is not scummy?

Did I say that?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6278039

[ChannelDelibird]

MOD: Could we have a prod on TobyLoby, please?

[Green Crayons]

scrambles, you have gotten feisty.

[Titus]

Most people don't go out of their way to make a big spiel about why they are town reading another player. That's one of the problems I had with Riddle's case against CDK: Riddle was comparing CDK's in-depth scum cases with CDK's less-in-depth town reads. Apples and oranges.

For a minimalist playstile like Titus has, it's not uncommon to see "<other player> is town" and not much else. So what? Who cares? If that other player flips scum, then it becomes relevant as to why Titus was reading that other player as town. If Titus later decides that that other player is scum, then it becomes relevant as to why Titus was previously reading that other player as town and why the switch. Until either of those events happen, though, a naked town call is null.

But it wasn't just her town-reads. She wasn't providing anything for her scum-reads either. It's just that her town-reads were

so

prevalent and never had even a single reason behind them.

I have been providing them.

Look at my iso. You can literally read a chain of thought. But hey keep selling the useless discredit.

[Green Crayons]

She called you scum after quoting a particular post of yours, so it's not hard to deduce why she thought you were scum (the reason: that post).


Working from memory.

Sorry to say that didn't happen.

I beg to differ:

Kudos to both Beli and one of CDB's posts for instantly making everyone vote for me. I'm not even going to bother right now because clearly I'm getting lynched. Yes I'm giving up, yes it's bad, but I completely lose it when people vote me when I'm town. WIFOM alert, but as scum I tend to actually play to my wincon in these situations and try to get the wagon off me.

Examples, please!

I'd also like to point out that it seems very odd that someone would "completely lose it" when people vote them as town. Multiple townies are usually mislynched every game. Does it suck? Yes, but it happens every game. It seems odd to have such a reaction to something that happens

all the time

.

Probably scum. I lose it frequently as town is I am the mislynch. My losing it is usually relative to the amount of confidence I have in my team nailing the other scum.

[acryon]

She called you scum after quoting a particular post of yours, so it's not hard to deduce why she thought you were scum (the reason: that post).


Working from memory.

Sorry to say that didn't happen.

I beg to differ:

Kudos to both Beli and one of CDB's posts for instantly making everyone vote for me. I'm not even going to bother right now because clearly I'm getting lynched. Yes I'm giving up, yes it's bad, but I completely lose it when people vote me when I'm town. WIFOM alert, but as scum I tend to actually play to my wincon in these situations and try to get the wagon off me.

Examples, please!

I'd also like to point out that it seems very odd that someone would "completely lose it" when people vote them as town. Multiple townies are usually mislynched every game. Does it suck? Yes, but it happens every game. It seems odd to have such a reaction to something that happens

all the time

.

Probably scum. I lose it frequently as town is I am the mislynch. My losing it is usually relative to the amount of confidence I have in my team nailing the other scum.

So then her reason why she is ok to lynch me is because I thought Amy losing it in the manner she did to be scummy? That's even worse.

[scrambles]

So you think he was "deliberately distorting content" but is not scummy?

Did I say that?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6278039

Grats, you know how to link posts.
Again, did I say that?

[scrambles]

scrambles, you have gotten feisty.

I actually kinda like arguing.

[acryon]

Most people don't go out of their way to make a big spiel about why they are town reading another player. That's one of the problems I had with Riddle's case against CDK: Riddle was comparing CDK's in-depth scum cases with CDK's less-in-depth town reads. Apples and oranges.

For a minimalist playstile like Titus has, it's not uncommon to see "<other player> is town" and not much else. So what? Who cares? If that other player flips scum, then it becomes relevant as to why Titus was reading that other player as town. If Titus later decides that that other player is scum, then it becomes relevant as to why Titus was previously reading that other player as town and why the switch. Until either of those events happen, though, a naked town call is null.

But it wasn't just her town-reads. She wasn't providing anything for her scum-reads either. It's just that her town-reads were

so

prevalent and never had even a single reason behind them.

I have been providing them.

Look at my iso. You can literally read a chain of thought. But hey keep selling the useless discredit.

Also, you cannot read the chain of thought. And anyone that thinks you can is doing some *creative* dot-connecting, which is probably propped up by their own thoughts rather than what you have actually provided.

[scrambles]

She called you scum after quoting a particular post of yours, so it's not hard to deduce why she thought you were scum (the reason: that post).


Working from memory.

Sorry to say that didn't happen.

I beg to differ:

Kudos to both Beli and one of CDB's posts for instantly making everyone vote for me. I'm not even going to bother right now because clearly I'm getting lynched. Yes I'm giving up, yes it's bad, but I completely lose it when people vote me when I'm town. WIFOM alert, but as scum I tend to actually play to my wincon in these situations and try to get the wagon off me.

Examples, please!

I'd also like to point out that it seems very odd that someone would "completely lose it" when people vote them as town. Multiple townies are usually mislynched every game. Does it suck? Yes, but it happens every game. It seems odd to have such a reaction to something that happens

all the time

.

Probably scum. I lose it frequently as town is I am the mislynch. My losing it is usually relative to the amount of confidence I have in my team nailing the other scum.

She was talking about Amy.

[ChannelDelibird]

Grats, you know how to link posts.
Again, did I say that?

This is a really annoying shtick to be using here. You clearly implied that he was doing so, so if it was a joke could you please just fucking say as much and let me drop one of the many lines of inquiry that I am currently trying to juggle coherently?

[Riddleton]

Most people don't go out of their way to make a big spiel about why they are town reading another player. That's one of the problems I had with Riddle's case against CDK: Riddle was comparing CDK's in-depth scum cases with CDK's less-in-depth town reads. Apples and oranges.

Perhaps, but I have evidence to suggest otherwise. He made a post where he asked Chaos to explain his townread of Amy. This implies two things:-
1) He has an opinion regarding his townread of Amy (and not just a vague hunch)
2) He values people to express their opinions on towmreads

as well

as scumreads.