Open 572: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem - Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

VC 5.02

Phillammon (2)-

Shaddowez, Bert

(L-2)

Shaddowez (1)-

Thor665

Thor665 (1)-

Dyslexicon

droog (0)-

Fink (0)-

Dyslexicon (0)-

Bert (2)-

Fink, Phillammon

(L-2)

Not Voting (1)-

droog

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-11-06 22:00:00)

- Nov 6th 22:00 GMT

[Fink]

Honeymoon is over.

I ain't in no relationship! Seriously, I've been waiting for someone to pressure my slot for a while. What took you so long to be visibly wary about my cool indifference?

I was a little suspicious of your predecessor anyway, but I was really waiting for you to say something of substance because I wasn't sure you'd even really caught up yet. And because we had two wagons I found to be very very scummy, it seemed like the focus should be on them.

WHen you later claim that I had your slot on a honeymoon or whatever you said, I was merely talking about my tolerance for your slot being cooly indifferent. Bins and DCXVI were already people worth talking about. But I was waiting for you to take some real stances and make some comments and eventually gave up. That's what I meant.

I don't think Thor would have tunneled so long and hard as scum on just the one player, for weeks on end, but I'm not really sure, I think that merits some looking into. I'll try to find something, but any thoughts from you Bert?

This part about Thor and his meta seems so deceptive to me. like a scumhunting facade. What exactly do you hope to achieve by looking at Thor's past games?

I thought I was clear on what I wanted to achieve. My instinct was to townread Thor for something, but then I remembered all the talk about him being hard to read and thought maybe this isn't a town thing. And I was going to go look, had some trouble, and then Thor essentially confirmed for me that it's not a town-or-scum thing for him. So I'm not townreading him for that anymore, it's null.

Can you clarify what you think is deceptive about that? It seems like offers to do more work (which I

have

been doing) are being routinely met with scumreads, while we aren't punishing people for blatantly

lying

being mistaken, or not bothering to read previous days.

And you're the third person to accuse me of not scumhunting, ignoring most of what I've said since replacing in, why hypocritically not doing much yourself.

At least one of Bert/Phil/Droog must be town by simple mathematics, so it bothers me that they all like to accuse people that are scumhunting of being scum for not scumhunting, especially while being useless themselves.

But I don't believe they can all be town.

[Fink]

@Fink Re: 1209: what did DCL do to dispel suspicion? He went on what you call a 'honeymoon.' I haven't dispelled suspicion, and neither did my predecessor. Also - Why would holding off on posting reads until the flip be a means for extra town credit? I don't understand.

Never said he was on a honeymoon, was talking about the period of waiting for you with that comment.

By dispel suspicion I meant that some people were less-than-thrilled with Bins entrance and seemed to be eyeing the slot. DCLXVI came in and posted a very lengthy and not that helpful analysis of the game thus far, and it served to at least impress at least Droog (Why doesn't anything

I

do every impress you Droog? ) and seemingly a few others as I recall. But after that he started to slack off terribly.

Regarding the holding off on reads until after the flip, what I meant was that he was implying a lot more scumhunting and Important Thoughts than it turned out he had ever had. The many things he was holding off on saying sounded like he had some grand scum catch or case or analysis of the wagon, but it turned out all it was was "I don't have any reads, was waiting for the flip" which is bullshit. Any of us could have said that. But he made himself look good short term, which seems like the kind of thing one might do if you wanted to make sure people didn't question the mislynch wagon you started too much and wanted to stay out of the spotlight the next day.

[Fink]

I think the day will be over by saturday because I have empirical proof that there's sufficient people willing to vote for me to get me quicklynched if that's what they want.

I want to lynch you, but I don't want to quicklynch you. We have a new piece of information in Bob/Blair's innocence, and we have a new player to get acquainted with. That's the whole reason I followed Thor's lead (in a way) by pressing Bert instead of continuing to attack you. It's not like I suddenly think you're town, but I have no interest in ending the day quite so fast. Don't worry about a quicklynch from me.

[Bert]

Prod dodge.

[droog]

Spoiler:

Honeymoon is over.

I ain't in no relationship! Seriously, I've been waiting for someone to pressure my slot for a while. What took you so long to be visibly wary about my cool indifference?

I was a little suspicious of your predecessor anyway, but I was really waiting for you to say something of substance because I wasn't sure you'd even really caught up yet. And because we had two wagons I found to be very very scummy, it seemed like the focus should be on them.

WHen you later claim that I had your slot on a honeymoon or whatever you said, I was merely talking about my tolerance for your slot being cooly indifferent. Bins and DCXVI were already people worth talking about. But I was waiting for you to take some real stances and make some comments and eventually gave up. That's what I meant.

I don't think Thor would have tunneled so long and hard as scum on just the one player, for weeks on end, but I'm not really sure, I think that merits some looking into. I'll try to find something, but any thoughts from you Bert?

This part about Thor and his meta seems so deceptive to me. like a scumhunting facade. What exactly do you hope to achieve by looking at Thor's past games?

I thought I was clear on what I wanted to achieve. My instinct was to townread Thor for something, but then I remembered all the talk about him being hard to read and thought maybe this isn't a town thing. And I was going to go look, had some trouble, and then Thor essentially confirmed for me that it's not a town-or-scum thing for him. So I'm not townreading him for that anymore, it's null.

Can you clarify what you think is deceptive about that? It seems like offers to do more work (which I

have

been doing) are being routinely met with scumreads, while we aren't punishing people for blatantly

lying

being mistaken, or not bothering to read previous days.

And you're the third person to accuse me of not scumhunting, ignoring most of what I've said since replacing in, why hypocritically not doing much yourself.

At least one of Bert/Phil/Droog must be town by simple mathematics, so it bothers me that they all like to accuse people that are scumhunting of being scum for not scumhunting, especially while being useless themselves.

But I don't believe they can all be town.

i like this case generally
((though i have no idea why you accuse me of whatever))

im going to sheep it for now while i reread
was going to look on the dys slot but i'll give that sub a chance

VOTE: bert

[Not_Mafia]

VC 5.03

Phillammon (2)-

Shaddowez, Bert

(L-2)

Shaddowez (1)-

Thor665

Thor665 (1)-

Dyslexicon

droog (0)-

Fink (0)-

Dyslexicon (0)-

Bert (3)-

Fink, Phillammon, droog

(L-1)

Not Voting (0)-

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-11-06 22:00:00)

- Nov 6th 22:00 GMT

[droog]

what is it about the philamonn slot that has attracted sly near lynch wagons two days in a row?

fink will resent the word sly so:

why has philamon been almost lynched two days in a row as an option for people who didn't like the current lyrch?
thor's right -- something's off there

[Bert]

Long weekend. I see I am at lynch -1.

[Bert]

Be back later...read the last two pages just then.

[Phillammon]

Forgot about MCM. Not sure HOW I forgot about MCM, but I did. Fortunately, there are no demands on my time tomorrow outside of sleep and one NUEL game, so the promised analysis will be coming up then.

[Thor665]

Marine Corps Marathon or Man Crush Monday?

[Phillammon]

London Comicon, actually, which is why I didn't get anything done today.

[Fink]

So Thor,

What do you make of the fact that no one has got on Shaddowez with you?

[droog]

i dont like how dyslexicon has gotten away
without much attention for a long time

fink, question

Spoiler:

VC 4.14

Bicephalous Bob (5)-

Thor665, droog, Phillammon, Dyslexicon, Fink

LYNCHED

Phillammon (3)-

Shaddowez, Bicephalous Bob, Bert

(L-2)

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (0)-

Fink (0)-

Dyslexicon (0)-

Bert (0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-10-21 20:00:00)

- Oct 21th 19:00 GMT

VC 3.13

Blair (0)-

Phillammon (3)-

Blair, Dyslexicon, Fink

(L-2)

shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (1)-

acryon

droog (0)-

Fink (1)-

Pillammon

acryon (5)-

droog, Thor665, shaddowez, DCLVXI, Fink

LYNCHED

Dyslexicon (0)-

DCLXVI (0)-

Not Voting (0)-

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-10-11 20:00:00)

- Oct 11th 19:00 GMT

VC 2.04

Blair (0)-

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (0)-

YYR (0)-

acryon (0)-

Dyslexicon (0)-

wgeurts (6)-

droog, YYR, Thor665, Blair, Shaddowez, Phillammon

Lynched

Fokem (0)-

Not Voting (4)-

acryon, Dyslexicon, wgeurts, Fokem

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-10-10 20:00:00)

- Oct 9th 19:00 GMT

last three lynch wagons:

wgeurts: droog, yyr/fink, thor, blair/bob, shaddowez, philammon
acryon: droog, thor, shaddowez, DCL, philammon
bob: thor, droog, philammon, dys, finx

you, i, thor, and philamonn have been on all three intended lynches
i.e. half of the living town is making all the decisions

do you think scum is inside or outside this group?

[Phillammon]

well that in one fell swoop basically invalidated everything I was about to sit down and do. Though in my defense I was gonna use pretty colours while I was at it.

[Thor665]

What do you make of the fact that no one has got on Shaddowez with you?

I have no clear cut opinions yet as there are too many variables and not enough data.

[Fink]

last three lynch wagons:

wgeurts: droog, yyr/fink, thor, blair/bob, shaddowez, philammon
acryon: droog, thor, shaddowez, DCL, philammon
bob: thor, droog, philammon, dys, finx

you, i, thor, and philamonn have been on all three intended lynches
i.e. half of the living town is making all the decisions

do you think scum is inside or outside this group?

The problem is, I think the issue is muddied by all the lurking and replacements. It seems entirely possible that scum could just be sitting back and letting town tear itself apart as long as we aren't on the right track. That's my theory behind scumBert. But yeah, I can see the argument that scum could be driving us too.

As Shaddowez was saying, the fact that the Phil wagon keeps almost happening and failing to go through at the last minute is an additional reason I'm suspicious of him (besides the other stuff). But the problem I'm having with reading into this is that the most active players are making all the decisions really.

Droog, if you, Thor, and I weren't involved in most of the decisions, that would seem weirder to me. We're the most talkative.
Phil, Dys, Shaddowez and Blair/Bob all seem to be around the middle, talking a lot sometimes and annoyingly quiet during other times, and during the times they've been less engaged, they haven't had as much of an impact.

Phil is the outlier in that group (but he wasn't on the Acryon lynch, was he?) so that means he hasn't actually had as much influence as you, Thor, and I. And this last day, it came down to either Phil or Bob, and that doesn't shock me at all. It's more surprising he and Acryon weren't attacking each other at the end there.

So yeah, in short, I don't think you can read anything into that really. What's more interesting are the wagons that didn't happen.

But if you were going back and doing this, why'd you get the Acryon wagon wrong? Or am I misremebering that?

[Fink]

No, you even quoted it in your own post on the topic. But you then claimed Phil was on it in your summary. So the truth was only behind a spoiler. Phil's at L-2 right now, but if I move my vote you could hammer him.

Townpoints for Phil.

VOTE: Droog

[droog]

oh, you're right, phil was not on acryon
i must have been looking at the wrong wagon when i typed that

still i would break the game into you/me/thor and everyone else
phil as an outlier is interesting. maybe ive been wrong and it is him.

still right now im more interested in everyone else who has gotten by without being on these lynches
i think thor is town and im starting to reverse my position on you (toward town)

phil, same question:
is scum in the thor/me/fink, outside it, or in both?

[droog]

????

why would i intentionally make that mistake????
why would i manipulate something and leave it wide open?

[Thor665]

I don't even follow the claimed manipulation.

[Bert]

Fink, I don't know what are you talking about with regard to Droog. That's a really flimsy reason to move your vote off me.

i dont like how dyslexicon has gotten away
without much attention for a long time

A replacement search for dyslexicon has been going on for a while.

Watching football. Later.

[droog]

i dont like how dyslexicon has gotten away
without much attention for a long time

fink, question

VC 3.13

acryon (5)-

droog, Thor665, shaddowez, DCLVXI, Fink

LYNCHED

[/b] - Oct 11th 19:00 GMT

last three lynch wagons:

acryon: droog, thor, shaddowez, DCL, philammon

[droog]

A replacement search for dyslexicon has been going on for a while.

even when dys was active
thor was the only person paying her much attention
((though philammon might have had a case on her?
dont quite remember because my point is that
i cant remember her getting any flak
))