Mafia 66: Freelancer - Game over!

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why do you dislike his comment, BM? Just saying that you don't like it doesn't actually give us any information, which you seem so keen on us being able to gather.

[Battle Mage]

Why do you dislike his comment, BM? Just saying that you don't like it doesn't actually give us any information, which you seem so keen on us being able to gather.

err, if you'd read my whole post, and not just the last sentence, you would see me explain why i didnt like that comment.
as good old MoS would say:

GG Reading Retension.

[ryan]

What up about a no lynch than? Wouldn't that give us about as much information as a random one?

You can't possibly be serious...

QFT... You've been around long enough at least to realize voting nolynch is precisely what we can't do in this game.

Ok, so answer me this. What's the difference between not lynching or lynching a current townie? It's already been said that nobody knows who anyone is so what exactly is the difference? 20 people playing and the chances of finding scum on a first lynch is pretty that's the point I was making.

[DYH]

What up about a no lynch than? Wouldn't that give us about as much information as a random one?

You can't possibly be serious...

QFT... You've been around long enough at least to realize voting nolynch is precisely what we can't do in this game.

Ok, so answer me this. What's the difference between not lynching or lynching a current townie? It's already been said that nobody knows who anyone is so what exactly is the difference? 20 people playing and the chances of finding scum on a first lynch is pretty that's the point I was making.

Umm.. I'll take the small chance of hitting a Serial Killer rather than going to night and waking up to

as many as three townie deaths

. Moreover, SKs can't kill each other, so the only way to eliminate them is via lynch. We must use the tool at our disposal.

Furthermore, the lynch-a-lurker plan only really applies for day one. If we go into tomorrow with fewer than three dead bodies at night, it's likely one of the SKs targeted another, in which case that's when things will get interesting.

[ryan]

Well if one SK kills another won't that be let known to the rest of the town? I mean we'll know that after they die and their role is revealed. I agree losing three in one night is a bad thing but that could happen even if we agree on a lynch, we could hit a townie with a lynch and lose three anyway. It's a tough numbers game but with 20 players we should have some better content to go by

[Qman]

Well if one SK kills another won't that be let known to the rest of the town? I mean we'll know that after they die and their role is revealed. I agree losing three in one night is a bad thing but that could happen even if we agree on a lynch, we could hit a townie with a lynch and lose three anyway. It's a tough numbers game but with 20 players we should have some better content to go by

SK's are immune from NK's

[Qman]

in fact, whilst i have no qualm about killing a lurker today, i really dislike that comment by Qman, so

Unvote, Vote: Qman

which comment might I ask?

[Battle Mage]

rofl. see my response to MoS. Im not repeating myself over and over for people who cba to read for themselves....

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why do you dislike his comment, BM? Just saying that you don't like it doesn't actually give us any information, which you seem so keen on us being able to gather.

err, if you'd read my whole post, and not just the last sentence, you would see me explain why i didnt like that comment.
as good old MoS would say:

GG Reading Retension.

Oh no, I definitely read all that, or I wouldn't have seen your vote in the first place. That doesn't explain why you didn't like Qman's comment

in particular

there are at least 3 or 4 people lurking-lynching Blahgo right now, if not more, so you disagreeing with the lurking lynch is not an explanation to pick Qman out of all the candidates to vote. Please explain why he is the vote and not myself, SpinWizard, or Kscope?

[bethelmark]

I'm in favor of lynching lurkers, but only if there is no other behavior to go off of. I agree that we should play this game like normal and lynch based on scummy behavior, but I have no qualms of lynching a lurker if we have no other information.

Also, I can't remember who I was voting for (and I'm pretty sure it was random), so

Unvote

.

[Battle Mage]

what are you talking about?
my whole post was for the SOLE PURPOSE of explaining that!
you

obviously

didnt read it, so i reccommend you do now. If you still cant manage, ill explain it to you in full, but if possible ill save you the embarrassment.

Why do you dislike his comment, BM? Just saying that you don't like it doesn't actually give us any information, which you seem so keen on us being able to gather.

err, if you'd read my whole post, and not just the last sentence, you would see me explain why i didnt like that comment.
as good old MoS would say:

GG Reading Retension.

Oh no, I definitely read all that, or I wouldn't have seen your vote in the first place. That doesn't explain why you didn't like Qman's comment

in particular

there are at least 3 or 4 people lurking-lynching Blahgo right now, if not more, so you disagreeing with the lurking lynch is not an explanation to pick Qman out of all the candidates to vote. Please explain why he is the vote and not myself, SpinWizard, or Kscope?

[Qman]

NO I read teh post, i want to know why it bothers you instead of a smart ass go read it answer. I've read it, twice now, and i still don't get what exactly i said that is tweaking your nose so hard.

[Qman]

OH damn now youll get mad both MoS and I asked the same thing.

This time i actually didn't read his post before i psoted. such is life

[Mastermind of Sin]

Let me break it down for you:

err wtf?

Not directed at Qman in particular.

how the hell does lynching lurkers gain us info.

Question about game theory, not directed at anyone specific.

Case in point, the bandwagon just starting on Blahgo.

Using an in-game example to go along with the game theory discussion. Also not directed at anyone special.

I agree that lynching lurkers is probably good for today at least, but merely because they arent contributing, and arent a big loss.

More game theory, not directed at anyone.

But as you can see here, if the town agrees to lynch lurkers, we dont gain ANY info on anybody.

Game theory, not direction at a person.

There is no Mafia here, so reading bandwagons can only tell us so much.

Statement about the setup and game theory, not directed at anyone in particular.

The fact is, if a lurker comes up town, what do we learn? Nothing.

Game theory, no particular person addressed.

If a lurker comes up scum, what do we learn? Nothing really, as we only have SK's.

Game theory and setup discussion, not replying to a specific person.

The best way to gain INFORMATION would be to play as normal, and lynch whoever you think is behaving scummy.

More game theory based on the setup. Not directed at anyone.

That way, you dont just get a meaningless bandwagon, but actually some discussion.

Prediction of results of applying game theory, not directed at a person.

in fact, whilst i have no qualm about killing a lurker today, i really dislike that comment by Qman, so

Unvote, Vote: Qman

This is your first comment that regards Qman in particular. Every comment in your post up to that point applied to anyone that had voted a lurker or even expressed support of a lurker lynch. You have no told us why you chose Qman over anyone else.

And yes, I did read it...

obviously

[blahgo]

I'm Here and Game for Lynchig Luckers other than myself. But before I vote I want to see Day 1 play out a little more.

[Battle Mage]

ah i see you have at last read it. Now you just need to UNDERSTAND it.
To put it in simple terms for you, the WHOLE POST was directed at QMan. Id have thought that much would have been obvious from the vote, but i guess not. or maybe you were trying to bury the meaning of my post under a heap of confusion. i just dont know with you.

@QMan- the comment bothers me because it looks like you were trying to validate a vote with game theory, however this game theory was incorrect. it put you as a preferable vote to a lurker at this point.

Let me break it down for you:

err wtf?

Not directed at Qman in particular.

how the hell does lynching lurkers gain us info.

Question about game theory, not directed at anyone specific.

Case in point, the bandwagon just starting on Blahgo.

Using an in-game example to go along with the game theory discussion. Also not directed at anyone special.

I agree that lynching lurkers is probably good for today at least, but merely because they arent contributing, and arent a big loss.

More game theory, not directed at anyone.

But as you can see here, if the town agrees to lynch lurkers, we dont gain ANY info on anybody.

Game theory, not direction at a person.

There is no Mafia here, so reading bandwagons can only tell us so much.

Statement about the setup and game theory, not directed at anyone in particular.

The fact is, if a lurker comes up town, what do we learn? Nothing.

Game theory, no particular person addressed.

If a lurker comes up scum, what do we learn? Nothing really, as we only have SK's.

Game theory and setup discussion, not replying to a specific person.

The best way to gain INFORMATION would be to play as normal, and lynch whoever you think is behaving scummy.

More game theory based on the setup. Not directed at anyone.

That way, you dont just get a meaningless bandwagon, but actually some discussion.

Prediction of results of applying game theory, not directed at a person.

in fact, whilst i have no qualm about killing a lurker today, i really dislike that comment by Qman, so

Unvote, Vote: Qman

This is your first comment that regards Qman in particular. Every comment in your post up to that point applied to anyone that had voted a lurker or even expressed support of a lurker lynch. You have no told us why you chose Qman over anyone else.

And yes, I did read it...

obviously

[ryan]

I'm Here and Game for Lynchig Luckers other than myself. But before I vote I want to see Day 1 play out a little more.

140 posts in this thread my friend, what exactly would you like to "play out more?" We have 20 people in this game and about a handful are actually active, this might be about as good as we get until we start putting some pressure on our lurkers to get some content post instead of "I'm still waiting"

[YogurtBandit]

I'm Here and Game for Lynchig Luckers other than myself.

Nice, anyone but you shpuld be lynched is your logic.

fos:Blahgo

[ButteBlues]

That's voteworthy enough for me for Day 1.

Unvote, Vote: Blahgo

[Givlmrak]

At this point day one is lynching someone who is lurking or feels scummy. Which with the SKs not knowing each other would be pretty hard to catch someone acting scum. We really cannot make informed votes till day two. After a night phase and hopefully an SK will have attempted to kill an SK. After that he will attempt to get us to lynch the SK and we'll have to watch for that.

Vote:Blahgo

[ryan]

unvote/vote blahgo

The post letting us know that "I'm here" always makes me feel like you've been watching and waiting for your name to be brought up and than out of the clear blue sky you appear, BM still feels scummish to me but I'm happy with a vote on your head.

[Battle Mage]

this is EXACTLY the sort of thing i expected. on your head be it...

[ryan]

this is EXACTLY the sort of thing i expected. on your head be it...

What did you expect BM? On who's head be what? If you are going to post, at least post something readable.

[Battle Mage]

this is EXACTLY the sort of thing i expected. on your head be it...

What did you expect BM? On who's head be what? If you are going to post, at least post something readable.

once again, ill suggest you read my prior post, which was something along the lines of:

"by lynching lurkers, we gain NO information. The only way to identify scum in this game, is to look for the opportunists."

Now we have about 9 people who have just piled on that wagon. Even IF Blahgo is an SK, what have we learnt? jack-all. we then have 9 suspects, the vast majority of which are certain to be town. with townies acting like characteristic scum, its going to make it a hella lot harder to identify the actual scum.

and what do you mean by "if you are going to post"?
are you suggesting that ive been lurking?

[ryan]

Ok BM, who's our first day best lynch?