Newbie 1546: Binary Trolls (Game Over!)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nether, scum-reading me on associations is pretty bad play.

[Netherspite]

Another one.
Could you please read all my posts and realize that associations wasn't the only clue?
Also, I said you're

leaning

scum, not solid scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why am I leaning scum?

Can you state it clearly and concisely in your next post please.

[Netherspite]

1. You with Shiro being the scumteam perfectly fits with your interaction after your replacement in. There were a number of reasons, I won't list them, please refer to my previous posts around my second Shiro vote.
2. Dyslexicon's reasoning for jumping onto Carli's wagon was the worst of all who jumped onto it.
and now third point is added:
3. You are too concerned about why are you looking suspicious.
Townie's concern is to find the scum.
Scum's concern is to not look suspicious.

[JohnnyFarrar]

*unless they're playing shitty

[BlueBloodedToffee]

1. You with Shiro being the scumteam perfectly fits with your interaction after your replacement in. There were a number of reasons, I won't list them, please refer to my previous posts around my second Shiro vote.
2. Dyslexicon's reasoning for jumping onto Carli's wagon was the worst of all who jumped onto it.
and now third point is added:
3. You are too concerned about why are you looking suspicious.
Townie's concern is to find the scum.
Scum's concern is to not look suspicious.

1. Associations without flips/relevant information is a bad scum-hunting tool. Stop doing it. Can you quote the interaction you don't like?

2. I can't speak for my predecessor.

3. I'm a defensive player. Too many people make the mistake of defensive = scum, when it doesn't. I like to understand people's thoughts and reasoning, helps me figure out their alignment.

[JohnnyFarrar]

So what do you understand about Nether atm

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I had him as town early on in the game but he makes such huge posts that I generally just skim over them without paying much attention.

Something about his recent play has been raising flags, can't put my finger on it yet.

[Netherspite]

I am assuming we have TGGC town flip. Because if he is lying we'll know it and if he's not it's the same as having the flip.
Regarding the interaction: your first posts after you replaced in.

The key points: (feeling myself like parrot now)
1. The flow: you come in, changing vote from Carli/TGGC to VDA (who Shiro intended to vote by his own words earlier), ask Shiro why isn't he voting and then he votes exactly the slot your predecessor had vote on.
2. You seem to be teaching less-experienced scumpartner how to play by explaining Shiro that his reasoning for voting Carli is bad. Yet you don't suspect him for that, just tell that the reasoning is bad.
3. You seem to be defending Shiro and asking why do I vote him.

However, I can agree that if you consider playing defensively ok for townie then you would both defend Shiro when I accused him for the same and be concerned about my suspicion towards you.
I just don't agree that it's a good townplay. It is not helping us to accomplish our goal to find scum.

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Yes, you can't speak for your predecessor but his actions do not disappear after you replace him.

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Were you able to figure out my alignment yet? And Shiro's ?

[Netherspite]

You partially answered my last question so...
How are you going to find out what's my alignment if you're skimming my posts?
I'm making important points in these posts so I wouldn't recommend to skim them.
You can safely skim my argument with Luca in the beginning though, it was pretty useless and long imo.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I completely ignored that buddying BS that was going on.

I'll pay attention to you from here on out. I don't like reading what's happened before I joined the game as I think you can get a different vibe compared to reading as the game is going on.

[Netherspite]

Personally I don't agree that it's a good townplay either.
When reading what happened before you joined you're taking a fresh look on the old posts considering the new information and thus can notice something left overlooked by everyone previously.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Just my opinion.

Also, it's incredibly easy to make catch-up posts and look town in doing so (That's right, I'm looking at VDA)

[Netherspite]

It's taking a lot of time.
And it's not a town tell on its own... but ignoring the whole game before you replaced in feels scummy for me.
I don't see any reason for townie to be that lazy. Town needs more information. Scum does not.

[Bulbazak]

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Vote Count

TGGC (0):
Netherspite (2): TGGC, Toolenduso
Toolenduso (0):
JohnnyFarrar (0):
Shiro (1): Netherspite
BlueBloodedToffee (0):
Luca Blight (0):
VictorDeAngelo (1): BlueBloodedToffee
GuyInFreezer (0):

Not Voting (5): VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer, JohnnyFarrar, Shiro, Luca Blight

It is day 1. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends on Sunday, November 2 at 11:30pm EST. Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-02 23:30:00).

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just told you why I don't like to do it.

There are soooooo many walls to read, I can't be bothered with that.

I'll read from here on out.

PEdit - More people should vote VDA.

[Netherspite]

VDA does not exist as mod just said Why voting a figment of our imagination? j/k

As I said, being too lazy to do it is pretty similar to being too lazy to, say, do a scouting in multiplayer strategy game. Yeah, you can skip it completely but it hurts your play if you're town. And thus, you're playing partially against your role goal, reduce your chance to win and (more important) reduce my chance to win. So it stays as one of the reasons I suspect you for.

Regarding VDA, should we really vote him just because he is not paying attention to this game? Yeah, I don't like it either and I'd lynch him just to kick him out of the game.
But it's playing against my role goal and I don't like losing. So no, I won't vote him for now.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nether if you start trying to sell me lazy=scum I'm checking out.

[JohnnyFarrar]

More people should vote VDA.

I submit that killing a lurker gives us fuck all to go on for d2 unless by some stroke of luck he's scum. Thoughts?

[Netherspite]

I just don't see town motivation behind being lazy.
I'm not trying to make you believing my opinion.

I'm voting Shiro after all, BlueBloodedToffee is just a suspect at this point.

[JohnnyFarrar]

People are lazy if you think every lazy person is scum you're going to be wrong. A lot. Like a lot. So much. Consider that some pseudo SE advice

[Netherspite]

Gosh, I never said lazy = scum.
I just said that being lazy is more logical for scum and thus I consider it a

slight

scum tell.

[JohnnyFarrar]

This is not a conversation I'm going to continue having because it has no effect on this game, but I'll end by saying laziness is bad play, not scum play. No one benefits from looking lazy, so thinking laziness is scummy is silly. You're doing yourself a disservice as a scum hunter thinking that way and you're not going to convince anyone to vote with a reason like that.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Tool, Shiro and Luca should show me where their head is.

[Netherspite]

And I was not going to convince anyone to vote for BlueBloodedToffee...
But you're right, this discussion is useless.

And what are your reads by the way?