Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[Wisdom]

@Mathdino 939

Stahp. You can find interactions and interpret them as scummy between any two given players. Don't fall in such a trap.

[Mathdino]

Wisdom

, I need your read on Mala ASAP before nightfall if you read this.

Didn't manage to read it before the lock, but she got much scummier. I hate her certainty about Victor flipping scum, it comes out of nowhere. Victor had not done anything that scummy to warrant such certainty. And such a quickhammer does not fall into things I'm used to seeing from town-Mala at all.

Victor's side: Mala played a scumgame with Victor; check my metacase on him. In it, Victor displayed the EXACT same nonchalance about being at L-1, except instead of someone hammering, he survived to endgame. Had I known about this at the time, I'd have offered to hammer as well.
Mala's side: Her explanation for hammering is legit and makes perfect sense from her 'weird mood' point of view. I checked.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom - null, but had to guess maaaaaaaaaaybe town

Talk to me about how you went from this to "Wisdom is confscum", ty

[Wisdom]

Not that it's anything new, but Mathdino is super town for 950. He's not even under any suspicion, not much reason for scum to waste so much effort.

[Wisdom]

hi guys

hey bork

[Wisdom]

Wisdom has been scummy all game.

Yet you had me as nulltown in your last readlist before this post.

[Wisdom]

Riddleton's Mala attack looks strange too. I have no clue why he's voting her there. Is it because she's voting me?

[Wisdom]

I continue hating Constantine's posts, though he's prolly just quirky town after all. Don't see him bussing Victor like he did.

[Wisdom]

wgeurts also practically confirmed town, Victor literally just said "I have a new person I want wagon".

Good point, yeah. Although I think Victor was the first person to vote him, so dunno how reliable this is.
But wguerts is probably town anyway, so yeah

[Wisdom]

Acyron and Mathdino's reactionary defense makes a lot more sense

Why are you not including me in those people? I also was against the Victor wagon, because it sucked and imo it was just luck that it turned up being on scum. I don't get why I'm not included in your suspects.

[Wisdom]

scum rarely vote each other in RVS

This is false. If you wish, I can provide many games in which scum vote each other in RVS. They do this so they can avoid interacting with the town.

Agreed. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. Don't go determining buddies from that, acryon is still a possibility.

[Wisdom]

My lynch pool is this:

{Wisdom, BMWS, Riddleton, Wgegurts}

In that order.

Interesting that you forgot all about acryon today.

[Wisdom]

Actually, good catch riddleton. Mathdino is confirmed super newbie scum.
VOTE: mathdino

Okay, ciao for the night.

How about no

[Wisdom]

I disagree. His mindset is exactly like mine. His analysis is EXACTLY WHAT I DID during the night. Like he meta'd VDA and found the exact tells that I found with vda.

Mathdino does not seem to have the same scumreads with you, so this is bullshit. I feel you're posting this to buddy him and make him sheep you.

[Wisdom]

I really do love how he uses being right on Victor to justify being right on me. That kind of reasoning SCREAMS bussing to me.

Doubt it. His playstyle suggests he is just so sure of himself that getting the lynch he wanted boosted his ego and made him think all his reads are right. I don't think it looks like bussing.

[Wisdom]

acryon reads insanely town based on his interaction with Victor.

Is that just because of RVS? Because if so, this is a bad reason to write acryon off.

[Wisdom]

There seems to be some consensus that lynching Acyron would be a good idea.

Where did you see that consensus, because all I'm seeing in the thread is people townreading him for faulty reasons.

[Wisdom]

I saw this, and I recall Mathdino being the one to push you on it, but if I also recall it required Vic to be town for it to make any sense, no?

The mistake makes sense whether I'm town or scum.

Nope. The accusation on you was that you slipped knowledge about Victor being town. This was not true, so that is no longer valid.

[Wisdom]

I did a vast meta research on VDA. He has a tendency to line up with scum partners like MathDino said and associate them with a townplayer. I have checked town games to see if he's done them there, but he has once, but when he did do it is was a vast difference.

You're still not explaining how that led to scumreading me

[Wisdom]

If she was scum and wanted to bus him, I'd have thought she'd do it earlier.

Eh. Maybe she thought he would try to avoid getting lynched, then bussed him when she saw he wasn't posting. The timing doesn't look strange to me.

[Wisdom]

That said, I also don't like how Mala has fallen into the background. The last few posts have a distinct feel of holding back.

Sucks up to Mala and then mudslings her. Mala's town.

How is that sucking up? Mudslinging sure, sucking up I don't see. And I don't get why it's improbable to you that Victor was giving out mild suspicions on Mala. If I recall, she had practically zero pressure on her around that time, so it was safe.

[Wisdom]

I would vote Wisdom, but I'm completely confused about something.

I think I get what you mean here.

Newbie is still town, posts like this are genuine

[Wisdom]

Also, I love how I'm accused of bussing my someone that was so adamant to let VD speak earlier but ended up "accidentally" hammering him and going oh well afterwards.

I didn't remember that, was she adamant to let him speak? If so, it makes even more sense that things are like I said. She wanted him to speak, and she bussed him when he wasn't.

Let me check

[Wisdom]

I'm not liking the fact he's not here to defend himself and those who are pushing his lynch feel like overeager scumbags and should stop. I want reactions.

I mean we still have two days and his VLA ends today so good god calm the hell down

Look at activity overview.

I'd lynch him before a no lynch, but I still want him to respond. So again I'm asking you nicely to back off and see if he responds.

Will you stop misrepping me.

Do you enjoy kicking people when they are down? That's the equivalent of lynching someone before they have a chance to speak.

Why are you in such a rush to lynch him before he can give out thoughts or EVEN CLAIM FOR THAT MATTER.

Go be scummy elsewhere.

VOTE: VDA

Heh. Newbie is right.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, wouldn't mind you chiming in yourself how you got to 740 and beyond from early game Vic interactions.

It's really difficult to know since I've not really been super diligent in checking timestamps, but Wisdom seemed pretty eager to save that slot by counterwagoning other slots around it, and I think it was pretty up in the air until Mala nailed Vic at the end with regard to who was actually going to be lynched.

I did want to avoid that wagon, it felt like people were opportunistically going for Victor because he wasn't around and the reasons given sucked. Other than some weird questions in the beginning of the game, Victor had done nothing particularly scummy to warrant such behavior.