Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

ISO · Post Post #1425 (ISO) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:22 pm

Wisdom, you are my smallest scum read. NM is a higher priority.
VOTE: Malakittens

Wisdom · Post Post #1426 (ISO) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:24 pm

That didn't answer my question though

ISO · Post Post #1427 (ISO) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:27 pm

In post 1426, Wisdom wrote:That didn't answer my question though

To answer it, it is possible and is something I'm considering.

Wisdom · Post Post #1428 (ISO) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:32 pm

My question was, why did Mala saying that either you or me is scum mean that this is actually the case?

ISO · Post Post #1429 (ISO) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:36 pm

In post 1428, Wisdom wrote:My question was, why did Mala saying that either you or me is scum mean that this is actually the case?

It's also her RVS vote and your arguments.

Mathdino · Post Post #1430 (ISO) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:16 pm

Wisdom

, I'd like you to provide all games you've played with Mala in the past year. All the ones you gave were from last year.

Wisdom · Post Post #1431 (ISO) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 11:20 pm

Newbie 1534 is the only one after Olympian gods. I replaced in during lylo and Mala was conftown though.

Mathdino · Post Post #1432 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:49 am

k, so I skimmed through a bunch of Wisdom games and games he played with Mala, and I think what I've learned is

I know what town-Wisdom looks like and this isn't that

absolutely nothing. Thought I'd get a read by showing that Wisdom tunneling Mala is usually more stubborn and less case-y but that's not even true.

Need to look through Mala's play again, see how much validity her wagon holds. Townread on her was entirely from twilight and D2.

ISO · Post Post #1433 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:59 am

In post 1432, Mathdino wrote:k, so I skimmed through a bunch of Wisdom games and games he played with Mala, and I think what I've learned is
I know what town-Wisdom looks like and this isn't that
absolutely nothing. Thought I'd get a read by showing that Wisdom tunneling Mala is usually more stubborn and less case-y but that's not even true.

Need to look through Mala's play again, see how much validity her wagon holds. Townread on her was entirely from twilight and D2.

Thoughts on my case.

Mathdino · Post Post #1434 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:05 am

In post 1413, wgeurts wrote:Not Mafia and wisdom are coming.

Waiting on this; the way you see the entire gamestate affects the validity of your case.

Also I don't want to confbias myself by analysing it yet because I have a tendency of arguing with cases and convincing myself people are town because of it. So I'll take a look after I do my own Mala/Wisdom ISO reread.

Wisdom · Post Post #1435 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:07 am

I'd direct you to the last sentence of info in my wiki, but you cancelled your own argument so cool

Mathdino · Post Post #1436 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:17 am

I literally saw I think 8 people make that argument in all the meta I read xD

Malakittens · Post Post #1437 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:33 am

I literally play most of my games as hydra's. I have a lot solo /:
Or evil regals I brought her back from the dead

ISO · Post Post #1438 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:07 am

In post 1433, wgeurts wrote:Thoughts on my case

Your case is on town

So like I said, reevaluate

Or we can waste more time with tvt shit

acryon · Post Post #1439 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:47 am

In post 1420, wgeurts wrote:He's a Troll.

Here's the thing about him being troll. There are certainly aspects of him that are extremely trolly (the RPing, calling everyone on this site bad, etc.), but he is not wholly a troll.

See the following quotes for examples of real/non-troll game-play that shows real interest in the game.

In post 577, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:@Children, Please read back through Mathdino's ISO, or posts in general. Things I want people to study are his...
1. RVS Interactions
2. Push on SilverWolf
3. Intent behind his blocks of text

In post 657, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
Actually my case on you and Victor is based off of intent, not association. My read on silver was association, that I'll concede.
If I'm scum reading you and victor, and you're actually contributing on a regular basis, by policy I would prefer to lynch victor.

In post 595, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
Wguert's: Really is newb town, and is displaying the traits of what you could expect from a a game which promotes hysteria
Wisdom: Is town, because nothing he's done makes sense for someone playing as scum. He reacts like a townie, he picks fights like a townie. He really is a townie.

These are just a few examples of straight-up play, so I think writing his scummy actions off as him being a troll puts town in the same danger as accepting scummy actions are purely newb-town.

Mathdino · Post Post #1440 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:24 am

In post 950, Mathdino wrote:Finally. So I did this right before the mod locked the thread, coloured it afterwards. Will analyse based on NK flip in a sec.

Spoiler: VC IIoA
Structure:
[Voter] -> [Votee], [number of votes on Votee], [stated reason if any (I'll put a link if there's a bunch of reasoning)]
[Unvoter] XX [Unvotee], [number of votes on Unvotee], [stated reason if any]

acryon
->
Victor
, 1, RV (later says vote stands due to Victor's questioning/defending)

Mathdino
->
SilverWolf
, 1, RV

Victor
->
Mathdino
, 1, RV

BMWS
->
TTH
, 1, RV

Wisdom
->
NM
, 1, RV

SilverWolf
->
Mathdino
, 2, RV/jokingly OMGUS

Malakittens
->
Wisdom
, 1, RV

Wisdom
XX
NM
, 0

Wisdom
->
Mathdino
, 3, "I like wagons"

wgeurts
->
Wisdom
, 2, "this is not sitting well with me"

wgeurts
XX
Wisdom
, 1, "it's all a reaction test"/"there's nothing to gain here"

Victor
XX
Mathdino
, 2

Victor
->
wgeurts
, 1, no stated reason

Mathdino
XX
SilverWolf
, 0

Mathdino
->
Victor
, 2, asking suspicious questions

TTH
->
Wisdom
, 2, "Not_Mafia and Wisdom have both telegraphed scumreads on Victor, but they seem a lot more guarded about it"

SilverWolf
XX
Mathdino
, 1

SilverWolf
->
Victor
, 3, "making way too much of a simple question as though you are looking for a reason to suspect someone"

Malakittens
XX
Wisdom
, 1

Malakittens
->
acryon
, 1, "I don't like Acyron injecting here"/forced looking posts

Newbie
->
wgeurts
, 2, reaction testing and general sketchiness

wgeurts
->
Newbie
, 1, "her vote was very opportunistic and he hasn't scum hunted"

Mathdino
XX
Victor
, 2

Mathdino
->
wgeurts
, 3, mason fishing

BMWS
XX
TTH
, 0

BMWS
->
wgeurts
, 4, "to add pressure on you so that you'll create a good defense to Mathdino's accusations"

wgeurts
XX
Newbie

wgeurts
->
wgeurts
, 5, "I'm town and I'd rather die quickly and give you info"

wgeurts
XX
wgeurts
, 4, "As requested"

Wisdom
XX
Mathdino
, 0

Wisdom
->
wgeurts
, 5, "I don't like this quick recovery"

wgeurts
->
Wisdom
, 2, =24679#p6313218]Here's the votepost and here's his case later on

SilverWolf
XX
Victor
, 1

SilverWolf
->
Wisdom
, 3, "You remind me of scum trying to push the easiest mislynch"

Newbie
XX
wgeurts
, 4

Newbie
->
Wisdom
, 4, "I actually agree with the case [wgeurts] made against you"

Mathdino
XX
wgeurts
, 3

Mathdino
->
SilverWolf
, 1, Here's the context but just read my case if you wanna know

Mathdino
XX
SilverWolf
, 0

Mathdino
->
wgeurts
, 4, SilverWolf descended to 2nd on my scumlist

acryon
XX
Victor
, 0

acryon
->
SilverWolf
, 1, Here's his case and here's another

Mathdino
XX
wgeurts
, 3

Mathdino
->
SilverWolf
, 2, I didn't like her reaction to me/Wisdom/acryon

Malakittens
XX
acryon
, 0, "I do like Acyron's latest posts so .... yeah..."

Constantine
->
Victor
, 1, no stated reason

Mathdino
XX
SilverWolf/Riddleton
, 1, she was getting replaced

Constantine
XX
Victor
, 0, no stated reason

NM
->
Victor
, 1, no stated reason

Constantine
->
Mathdino
, 1, thinks I'm scum with Victor

BMWS
XX
wgeurts
, 2

BMWS
->
Constantine
, 1 "I don't like you, Constantine

Wisdom
XX
wgeurts
, 1

Wisdom
->
Malakittens
, 1, "I'm not happy with her play. She needs to do more, starting with explaining her reads."

Mathdino
->
Constantine
, 2, pointing out associations

Constantine
XX
Mathdino
, 0, "Emotion is a town tell"

Constantine
->
Victor
, 2, no stated reason

TTH
XX
Wisdom
, 3, confusion

wgeurts
XX
Wisdom
, 2

wgeurts
->
Constantine
, 3, "for all these comtradictions"

TTH
->
Victor
, 3, PoE and looking through ISO

TTH
XX
Victor
, 2, "I'm having a reference frame crisis."

Newbie
XX
Wisdom
, 1, let's not talk about this

Riddleton
XX
Wisdom
, 0

Riddleton
->
Victor
, 3, muddafuckin' case

TTH
->
Victor
, 4, here ya go

Wisdom
XX
Malakittens
, 0

Wisdom
->
Constantine
, 4, "bullshit about scumtells"

acryon
XX
Riddleton
, 0

acryon
->
Constantine
, 5, mini case

Mathdino
XX
Constantine
, 4

Mathdino
->
Riddleton
, 1, "more likely lynch"

Newbie
->
Victor
, 5, reasons above

Wisdom
XX
Constantine
, 3

Wisdom
->
Riddleton
, 2, probably same as me

wgeurts
XX
Constantine
, 2

wgeurts
->
Victor
, 6, no stated reason

Mathdino
XX
Riddleton
, 1

Mathdino
->
Constantine
, 3, "Riddleton's last post is convincing enough"

Wisdom
XX
Riddleton
, 0

Wisdom
->
Constantine
, 4, presumably to get a lynch

Malakittens
->
Victor
, 7, HAMMERTIME

Day's long enough that I don't want to have to do this again in full by twilight. This time this'll actually have a point, though.

Spoiler: VCI&A

Okay, so here's the thing. We've established that the TTH NK is very WIFOMy. Could be to stop a Wisdom wagon, could be to implicate him, and TTH was probably the best NK for either of these purposes as she was one of few whose read on him was unmanipulatable. But here's the thing. His wagon is tiny. It starts with

Malakittens

, followed by

Newbie

, followed by

Not_Mafia

, followed by

borkjerfkin

.

But that's it.

I won't go so far as to say that Wisdom vs Malakittens is TvS, but I will say that there's no question that either Wisdom is scum, or scum is on his wagon and/or is trying to get towncred from calling him town.

Riddleton

hasn't spoken on Wisdom.

Constantine

blind defended him.

wgeurts

is flip flopping but naturally.

acryon

called him town but is barely defending him at all.

Constantine

is the only one that's really implicated here but [hope]we're lynching him anyway[/hope].

Of course, Wisdom as scum could probably push a TTH lynch fairly well, so that seems weird.

Edit: Goddammit. Got distracted for a few hours, came back, and realised how silly this all is. Not deleting because it has the VC stuff and this analysis is the whole reason I did the VC.
The main point that's not total WIFOM is Newbie, Constantine, and to a lesser extent borkjerfkin are acting really weird about Wisdom.
Also I approve of the above post.

ISO · Post Post #1441 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:32 am

If I start talking about wisdom there's really no going back.

As long as you have the same scum pool as me (and you do, with one erroneous addition), just keep doing your thing)

ISO · Post Post #1442 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:39 am

In post 1423, Mathdino wrote:If Wisdom and Mala are partners, that was a damn good performance.

They're not gonna win though.

@borkjerfkin: Do you think that interaction that happened makes Newbie town, or d'ya think she could've faked it?

Leaning not faked as I said after my exchange with newbie

Wisdom · Post Post #1443 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:42 am

Do talk about me please, you threw a vote on me for no visible reason which you've yet to explain

ISO · Post Post #1444 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:44 am

you are not a part of this conversation

Wisdom · Post Post #1445 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:47 am

I'm part of every conversation

Mathdino · Post Post #1446 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:50 am

Well, bork, considering you're telling me to "just keep doing my thing", I'm pretty sure you don't want a conversation at all.

Please discuss your vote on Wisdom.

Also for the record since I'm not going to stop until Constantine is lynched, just consider my HoS's unofficial votes.

HoS: Riddleton

Mathdino · Post Post #1447 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:51 am

Actually no that HoS was dumb consider acryon's prolly right about Const.

unHoS: Riddleton
HoS: borkjerfkin

until you explain.

ISO · Post Post #1448 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:54 am

In post 1446, Mathdino wrote:Well, bork, considering you're telling me to "just keep doing my thing", I'm pretty sure you don't want a conversation at all

Oh for fucks sake.

Read the fucking interactions between the people wisdom has been pushing today.

ISO · Post Post #1449 (ISO) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:54 am

In post 1447, Mathdino wrote:Actually no that HoS was dumb consider acryon's prolly right about Const.

unHoS: Riddleton
HoS: borkjerfkin
until you explain.