NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Marquis]

no wait, the daystart post is wrong. only 5 left

so that leaves them still by poe :/ what

[House]

I don't particularly read sky as scum, I can't see Wake putting someone he feels necessary to protect so bad as to overstep his authority as mod to ask town to go easy on her into a scum slot.

THIS WAS MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT

I don't think I ever argued with it. o_o

[shaddowez]

If I'm doing my numbers right, we're in a weird state of MYLO right now. If we mislynch today, depending on events I'm almost positive we lose either toDay or the next Day.

I don't particularly read sky as scum, I can't see Wake putting someone he feels necessary to protect so bad as to overstep his authority as mod to ask town to go easy on her into a scum slot.

THIS WAS MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT

I don't think I ever argued with it. o_o

This is the problem with what Wake did in general. It produces a whole lot of WIFOM and meta into the game that shouldn't exist. I don't particularly read Sky as scummy, but it has nothing to do with what Wake posted. The only thing that pings me about her is her opening post toDay:

Since there wasn't a mafia kill it seems that all we have left to do is hunt the SK.

Wake, I'll be V/LA Thursday through Saturday.

Trying to throw suspicion off of the last possible scum slot could be a newbscum mistake, and if they happen to catch the SK toDay, they get a kill tonight, and are in LYLO the next Day with lessened suspicion. This could also be genuine - I'm not sure right now.

I still question Marquis' choice of fake-claiming mason and trying to ride it out until endgame, but his posts toDay have seemed town.

My feelings are still mostly similar to what I posted in 4857. I just have to figure out who between Skybird and Pine I feel is scummier and more likely to not be a mislynch.

[Pine]

Remaining mafiascum is

most likely

Shadow

SK, if we miss them today, should shoot Shadow

We should not be voting Shadow, we should be ISOing all living players for evidence of SK, which I haven't had time to do

Tell me how it makes sense not voting for scum.

I want some of what you are smoking.

Reason 1

SK is most likely bulletproof

Ergo, if we mislynch, SK can't be NKed, but mafia might be

Reason 2

Mafia is easier to deduce based on interactions

Mafia may be (but probably isn't) eliminated

Ergo, if Mafia is eliminated, all the associative tells are bunk, and that read is wrong anyway

[House]

Remaining mafiascum is

most likely

Shadow

SK, if we miss them today, should shoot Shadow

We should not be voting Shadow, we should be ISOing all living players for evidence of SK, which I haven't had time to do

Tell me how it makes sense not voting for scum.

I want some of what you are smoking.

Reason 1

SK is most likely bulletproof

Ergo, if we mislynch, SK can't be NKed, but mafia might be

Reason 2

Mafia is easier to deduce based on interactions

Mafia may be (but probably isn't) eliminated

Ergo, if Mafia is eliminated, all the associative tells are bunk, and that read is wrong anyway

No.

If we leave known scum alive and guess wrong, that will bring us down to four alive.

If SK and mafia both NK town, we're boned.

Kill scum when you have scum.

[House]

VOTE: shaddowez

I didn't want to rush a lynch right out the gate because I wanted to see what people thought first.

Happy with my read, now.

[Pine]

Nnnnno.

First, I'm having second thoughts about Shadow as mafiascum

Second, we need to out in some serious brain time on the identity of the SK

I think we really need to take a long look at who scum have been building cases against. They've been SK hunting all game

[House]

Nnnnno.

First, I'm having second thoughts about Shadow as mafiascum

Second, we need to out in some serious brain time on the identity of the SK

I think we really need to take a long look at who scum have been building cases against. They've been SK hunting all game

Your logic is fine, you just picked the wrong faction.

Shaddowez = SK.

[Pine]

SK is, at this stage of the game, just as large a threat to Town as Mafia, with less collective brain time in, no associative tells, no PoE, and probably no chance of being NKed if we fuck up

Today, we hunt the SK

PE: Based on...?

[Marquis]

actually wake defending sk!skybird makes sense too.

[House]

I've been town reading shadow for his scum hunting, but others have him fingered as scum due to PoE

SK explains the contradiction, as SK has to scum hunt to stay alive.

[House]

actually wake defending sk!skybird makes sense too.

No. Just... No.

If sky is SK, I'll disband my hydra with Wake and never play in another game he is any part of.

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:

don't want a lynch will be reading through the kill targets tomorrow
t s o iso so far has yielded little for kill motive
as i said will read more later

[House]

Well I'm leaving my vote on shadow as I don't have reliable net access.

[Skybird]

I understand everyone's hesitation about me but I am neither SK or scum. I crumbed my role shortly after replacing in. If you have questions or want me to explain things I've posted, ask.

I've been reading ISO's of people that were SK killed, looking to see if there is a common name that everyone suspected. I've only gotten through TSO and Texcat. One post from TSO stood out, post 2436. He stated that Marquis is a deceptive scum player and his strong suit is being very natural. Texcat also had the scum team as being Aero, Farside, and Tree/Marquis in post 2229 and then voted for Tree/Marquis in post 2370.

[Marquis]

[Pine]

Hmm. Time for mass claim, I think. I am comfortable with going first, and popcorning

[House]

Wouldn't it be better to do tomorrow?

NK's can still hurt us.

[Wake1]

My post regarding Skybird had nothing to do with alignment.

*Edited.

[House]

My post regarding Shaitra had nothing to do with alignment.

Shaitra? Who is that?

[House]

My post regarding Shaitra had nothing to do with alignment.

Oh, skybird...welcome to MS, Shaitra!

Regardless of how your post was intended, you can see how it looks if she winds up scum after a mod request for kid gloves, yes?

[Skybird]

I'm OK with a mass claim if everyone else wants to.

[Skybird]

Hi House. I've played a few games here already.

[House]

I'd rather not, but I crumbed a while back if people want to ISO me.

[shaddowez]

We have five people left, and two of them are claiming to have crumbed roles already. I'm having a hard time getting final reads right now, so I'm going to go with my gut at this point.

VOTE: Skybird