Open 577: Hope Plus One! (GAME OVER - SCUM WIN)

[Cane + Able]

@mod. Are the hydra heads allowed to communicate with eachother outside the thread?

Our you could, you know, ask the hydra.

- House

What the fuck house.

Post 468 you want me to ask the mods about rules now it's ask the hydra. Make up your mind and quit being a dick. Also you might have well just answered the question instead of giving a passive aggressive response. If you would like me to ask

Are you and wake allowed to comunicate with eachother outside the thread.

Rules are mod territory, are they not? o_O

Wake and I have a TitanPad to discuss stuff. It's like QT but different.

[Cane + Able]

Why are you using random.org as opposed to choosing.

Because I want to.

This looks like trying avoid taking responsibility for who you are doing deep analysis on. It allows you to stay on the outside avoiding more important people to read.

Which part of "random" needs further elaboration?

- Wake

[Cane + Able]

– That is a good thing.
– Yes, please.
– To err is to be human.
– I turn sheep into veal.
– Looking into those reasons. Do you think texcat is lurking?
– Indeed, as time and energy allows.. Random.org/list.

- Wake

Why are you using random.org as opposed to choosing. This looks like trying avoid taking responsibility for who you are doing deep analysis on. It allows you to stay on the outside avoiding more important people to read.

Considering he hasn't been active for a while, that is hardly surprising. At least he is contributing something productive.

Take your negative bullshit elsewhere and push around the fluff posters.

- House

Don't understand this response at all. Why would not being active be a reason to use random.org. Also outside my first I am being productive. I am the only one trying to prevent us from lynching arcynon.

Right, I forgot about that post.

You actually made some good points.

UNVOTE:

[Cane + Able]

Oops, I missed Wake having an opinion on acryon.

Sorry, Wake. Feel free to revote.

[GGG]

Why are you using random.org as opposed to choosing.

Because I want to.

This looks like trying avoid taking responsibility for who you are doing deep analysis on. It allows you to stay on the outside avoiding more important people to read.

Which part of "random" needs further elaboration?

- Wake

It's like using random.org for an RVS vote. It takes away responsibility of the player from making choices. I don't like any use of random.org by players. The why you picked someone can be just as important as the content this early.

[copper223]

@Acryon
I've checked your finished games, your play is very different in this one, in Minimenace you actually did not vote day 1 for instance and in the other two you flip-flopped a lot.

I've seen no evidence of you tunneling on other players and I think your case on C+A is pretty bad, so you are possibly scum here for building your case as you go, without caring much about evidence brought against it.

VOTE: Acryon

This is

L-2

, since we have had few vote counts, I thought I should add it.

[Rudolph the Reindeer]

Welcome aboard the Acryon wagon, copper!

2 more votes to go.

[Aneninen]

(Responding to C+A)

) Why are you using random.org as opposed to choosing. This looks like trying avoid taking responsibility for who you are doing deep analysis on. It allows you to stay on the outside avoiding more important people to read.

Dafuq!
I'm clearly not the most important one here but, for you, I

should be

very important! You're voting for me and you want to read posts about other players...?

________

According to my calculation Acryon is at L–3, C+A unvoted a couple of posts ago.

[GGG]

We are two days from deadline. I will move to Acry, we need to get him to l-1 with intent before the end of tomorrow to deal with any role claims.

[post=acrynon]acrynon[/post]

[GGG]

We are two days from deadline. I will move to Acry, we need to get him to l-1 with intent before the end of tomorrow to deal with any role claims.

If anyone comes up with another viable wagon I am willing to go. I got nothing more then my suspicion of Anen which no one seems interested in.



VOTE: acrynon

[acryon]

Considering what you are criticizing is my play, not Wake's, then yes, the amount of experience I (don't) have that you say I do is salient to the point.

Throwing away facts that don't suit the read you want to have doesn't make them any less relevant. It does beg me to read you as scum, though. It's like you have a vested interest in wanting me dead. There is no investigation in this exchange.

That's not what was happening here. You are the one that is writing off parts of my case as "oh, that's just me, so our slot isn't scummy." I can't believe people aren't seeing this.

acryon, give me a reason not to vote you. I'm running out and need to restock.

I'm town, pretty obviously. But it also seems a bit moot to negotiate with scum don't you think?

This is why I think hydras are stupid. Wake has played a lot more than that, so I think my claim is still reasonable. The whole point of a hydra is to treat it like one slot, yes? So unless you sign up as separate people, I am not going to analyze you separately.

Yeah this tunneling is out of hand at this point. I think the weaknesses in your suspicions are showing through, acryon.

UNVOTE: 3G
VOTE: acryon

You're criticising everything House has done, I don't think anyone's criticised Wake's play (he signs his posts FYI). And everything you're criticising is fairly typical of House from what I read of him.

Again, this is

so

stupid. I'm not treating them like separate players, because they are

one

slot. Wholly, I believe the play has been scummy. Perhaps it's mostly House's part that's playing scummy, but then again he has posted far more than the other half, so that doesn't change anything.

Oh nice... throw out a shitty case on me and leave it to stew over the weekend.

Right, because I didn't first vote you a solid week ago... How many times can someone mis-represent people before this town recognizes them as scum?

Several more posts talking about how my case is weak

I admitted my case wasn't extremely strong, although it's actually gotten stronger since I left, but I still think it is by far the best case out there.

Acryon's attack on GGG was solely based on C+A and the fact that because he had more posts, he shouldn't be read as null or be read as gut town/scum.

Misrepresented completely. This is not even close to what I said.

No problem! Here is what the case says, in bitesize chunks:

-Acryon does awkward vote on you with little to no reasoning
-Acryon admits his own case is crap, justifies his vote on you with some rubbish about 'confident votes are better', blatantly ignores criticism about his case
-Later gets defensive, switching from -- to a degree -- admitting his case was bad to a more passive 'It's not the worst case out there' stance.

I

never

said my case was bad. I, multiple times, have addressed that it isn't extremely strong, but given the total lack of other cases in this town, it is by far the best.

@Acryon
I've checked your finished games, your play is very different in this one, in Minimenace you actually did not vote day 1 for instance and in the other two you flip-flopped a lot.

I've seen no evidence of you tunneling on other players and I think your case on C+A is pretty bad, so you are possibly scum here for building your case as you go, without caring much about evidence brought against it.

VOTE: Acryon

This is

L-2

, since we have had few vote counts, I thought I should add it.

Checking my games is stupid, and this is why meta is generally terrible. My play changes completely based on the town and the game, not my alignment, as any good player's should. Trying to force the same play-style onto every game doesn't work, because every town is different.

We are probably going to end up losing this game, because 90% of this town is sheep that follow people doing blatantly scummy misrepresentation, but whatever.

I'm town macho doctor

. And now I get NK'd tonight anyway, but this probably isn't a town I would want to continue with anyway. For the love of all that is good, at least look closely at C+A and Rudolph when I die. One of them is scum, and the other is either scum or terrible sheep town.

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

Doing something, will reevaluate today. Should also look at some wagon analysis.

[acryon]

My case may not be the greatest (bad, terrible, whatever), but having a case that people don't agree with isn't scummy. Misrepresenting people to make them look like they are doing things they aren't is. Let's think about that.

[copper223]

UNVOTE:
For today I'm assuming this claim is genuine.

@Acryon
The reason why I read it as scummy is because you ignored or dismissed anything that did not suit your belief of C+A being scum, I think that if you are a PR as seems likely, knowing you could not be lynched influenced your play and made you appear overconfident. I will review Rudi and C+A.

[acryon]

UNVOTE:
For today I'm assuming this claim is genuine.

@Acryon
The reason why I read it as scummy is because you ignored or dismissed anything that did not suit your belief of C+A being scum, I think that if you are a PR as seems likely, knowing you could not be lynched influenced your play and made you appear overconfident. I will review Rudi and C+A.

And I

get

why people were skeptical of certain parts of my case (the town-leading specifically), but I feel that the misrepresentation on multiple occasions was and is too blatant to back off of, which is why I didn't, and I won't until someone becomes scummier than C+A. I actually hate that the last several days turned into a back and forth of me pushing my case and people pushing me, because it was ultimately bad for us, but I still think C+A is by far the best lynch candidate today based on the aforementioned misrepresenting. No one else seemed to have a good idea of who to lynch, so I don't think it's that bad of me to continue to push a lynch I am reasonably confident in.

[Mathdino]

Guys, okay, no analysis, but some setup stuff.

Can't we just play Follow The Cop now? Hear me out.

1. Cop claims.
2. Tell acryon to protect cop. If cop dies anyway, acryon is scum.
3. acryon dies.
4. Remaining doctor just protects cop every night.
5. ???
6. PROFIT

[acryon]

Guys, okay, no analysis, but some setup stuff.

Can't we just play Follow The Cop now? Hear me out.

1. Cop claims.
2. Tell acryon to protect cop. If cop dies anyway, acryon is scum.
3. acryon dies.
4. Remaining doctor just protects cop every night.
5. ???
6. PROFIT

I actually think this is the optimal play.

[Aneninen]

UNVOTE:

Mathdino, your idea is bad.
As one of the Doc-s dies the Cop becomes Macho.
Plus, it's a source of WIFOM, I mean, what if the scum intentionally Nightkill someone else?

So,

Cop, other Doc, DO NOT claim!

[Mathdino]

The only issue is that it assumes that you're telling the truth with your claim. Did you breadcrumb at all?

Edit: Oh damn never mind. SORRY FORGOT SETUP

[acryon]

The only issue is that it assumes that you're telling the truth with your claim. Did you breadcrumb at all?

Edit: Oh damn never mind. SORRY FORGOT SETUP

No, I didn't crumb. And I didn't realize that happened to the cop. I only read my role, so I figured it would say it there. But I suppose it is set up that way to avoid this scenario.

[GGG]

Guys, okay, no analysis, but some setup stuff.

Can't we just play Follow The Cop now? Hear me out.

1. Cop claims.
2. Tell acryon to protect cop. If cop dies anyway, acryon is scum.
3. acryon dies.
4. Remaining doctor just protects cop every night.
5. ???
6. PROFIT

Cop becomes macho if doctor dies. Acrynon protects cop, 2nd doc protects Acry follow the cop works though.

[Mathdino]

Macho doctor is the role.

[acryon]

Guys, okay, no analysis, but some setup stuff.

Can't we just play Follow The Cop now? Hear me out.

1. Cop claims.
2. Tell acryon to protect cop. If cop dies anyway, acryon is scum.
3. acryon dies.
4. Remaining doctor just protects cop every night.
5. ???
6. PROFIT

Cop becomes macho if doctor dies. Acrynon protects cop, 2nd doc protects Acry follow the cop works though.

Yeah, neither of the docs can be protected.

[GGG]

Shit, completely misread the role. Somehow I had in my head that Macho meant they both couldn't protect the same target. Really newb of me.

unvote

I like Anen as a vote today of our actives. I don't mind lynching one of our inactives though as I don't see us getting 4 replacements.

I will re link to my ANen case afterwork today

[acryon]

Shit, completely misread the role. Somehow I had in my head that Macho meant they both couldn't protect the same target. Really newb of me.

That's ok. Both Math and myself misread the cop role. Just glad nobody else had to claim.