Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Math, what's so different about my wagon as opposed to wgeurts's and amy's that you switch off them easily and don't off me?

Farside, your read on me is?

Scumreading flubber and claiming his V/LA is suspicious is insanity. He's not going V/LA in the one game he's scum in and staying active on the rest of the site.

Wait. Actually put some thought into the alchemist case and lol. That is actually scummy by siv's narrow definition of scummy.

VOTE: alchemist

Anyway I'm gonna lurk for a couple days until the wagon disappears. See you all on day 2!

[Mathdino]

wgeurts's and Amy's developed too fast. Yours didn't, and the people had better reasons for voting you other than sheeping.

UNVOTE:

I'll decide who to vote after I come back but I'm beginning to think I was only hanging onto Siv since he already claimed and I wanted an info lynch.
Let's not do that.

[insanity018]

Votecount 1.10

Siveure DtTrikyp

(5): Alchemist21, Ankamius, davesaz, Venrob, wgeurts

Aneninen

(2): Amy Farrah Fowler, droog

wgeurts

(1): Flubbernugget

Alchemist21

(1): Siveure DtTrikyp

Flubbernugget

(1): farside22

Not Voting

(4): Aneninen, TheAdrienC, Romitelli, Mathdino

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-07 08:00:00)

Aneninen is LA
TheAdrienC is V/LA until Saturday
Venrob is possibly V/LA for one week
Alchemist21 is V/LA for the weekend
davesaz is V/LA until Sunday evening
Flubbernugget is V/LA

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber: why did you vote amy and siv?

Siv is scum.

I need a better grasp of Amy's intentions.

[farside22]

Math, what's so different about my wagon as opposed to wgeurts's and amy's that you switch off them easily and don't off me?

Farside, your read on me is?

Scumreading flubber and claiming his V/LA is suspicious is insanity. He's not going V/LA in the one game he's scum in and staying active on the rest of the site.

Wait. Actually put some thought into the alchemist case and lol. That is actually scummy by siv's narrow definition of scummy.

VOTE: alchemist

Anyway I'm gonna lurk for a couple days until the wagon disappears. See you all on day 2!

I thought your sheeping post was null and I got dave's point, but I don't see you as scum most because how you played after the wagon formed on you.
I think out of all the wagons that have formed Amy's play has been very under the radar and it disappeared without much said by her.
I have a gut feeling about amy that makes me not chase the rabbit currently.

If Flubber continues and alchemist flips scum I want him to be pushed.

Vote: alchemist

wgeurts's and Amy's developed too fast. Yours didn't, and the people had better reasons for voting you other than sheeping.

UNVOTE:

I'll decide who to vote after I come back but I'm beginning to think I was only hanging onto Siv since he already claimed and I wanted an info lynch.
Let's not do that.

I think they all formed at the same speed. I'm not sure why you pause at lynching alchemist if you think he is scum and you think scum might be within the top 4

[farside22]

Flubber: why did you vote amy and siv?

Siv is scum.

I need a better grasp of Amy's intentions.

Why is siv scum?

[Flubbernugget]

He wasn't trying to excuse his play in the last pyp.

[farside22]

He wasn't trying to excuse his play in the last pyp.

Why is that scummy?

[Mathdino]

I think they all formed at the same speed. I'm not sure why you pause at lynching alchemist if you think he is scum and you think scum might be within the top 4

Because he's a PR and Siv prematurely claimed not-PR. That's pretty much it. I'm far more comfortable with Siv's lynch since we gain information and we don't lose a PR.

I want to hear

Ankamius's

argument on why this is town-Alchemist before I vote.

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

Farside calling me a hypocrite

- I'm not using anything which is only ambiguously scummy or completely neutral as evidence.
- I'm not inflating anything to make it look scummier.
- If anybody wants to pick apart my case on him then they can go the fuck ahead and do so.
- I haven't bailed out and unvoted him when asked for a full case.

I am calling you a bullshitter and officially putting you on ignore. Big posts full of nonsense don't do you any favours, even if they look like hard work.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Amy, the point of calling you a hypocrite is that everything you called him scummy for you did yourself. Which I kindof agree with.

[farside22]

Amy, the point of calling you a hypocrite is that everything you called him scummy for you did yourself. Which I kindof agree with.

This^

My comment probably came across bitchy. Hypocrisy is just one of ny peeve's.

[Flubbernugget]

@mod

Should be off v/la barring emergencies.

[Flubbernugget]

He wasn't trying to excuse his play in the last pyp.

Why is that scummy?

Not playing to town meta, not taking responsibility for his actions, playing defensively, etc, etc.

Are you asking this out of disagreement or asking out of thinking I'm a moron?

[Amy Farrah Fowler]

Amy, the point of calling you a hypocrite is that everything you called him scummy for you did yourself. Which I kindof agree with.

I don't see any hypocrisy, which bits did I do myself?

[wgeurts]

Ok we need to get conversation rolling, I suggest we all post out top 3 scum reads with reasons. All that don't we'll pressure.
This will make lurkers stop lurking, make people not investing time invest time and it'll force scum to fabricate more than 1 read. All in all it'll create a lot of information and we mat catch a scum who slips up in the fanrication of his/her top 3 scum reads.

[wgeurts]

My top three scum reads are:
Siv: His lurking style doesn't go down well with me, the worst is it seems as if he is doing it intentionally. I also think that this wagon may be actually hitting scum as if you look it seems to have been given a lot more resistance than mine and amy's. I'm going to meta cov as flubbers made some points on it and that could lead to siv or flubber looking scum.
Romitelli: Stop lurking, lurking would be a great strategy for scum in the case that siv is town. Scum could just sit back and relax and let the town hang themselves. They also get an added bonus of making few associative tells which benefits scum late game, we really need discussion to stop scum playing like this. I'm going to meta him as well to see how he plays as scum/town.
TheAdrien: Same reasons as Romi, meta will also happen on him.

There may be a few meta cases popping up from me later. I don't think flubber is scum as his play wouldn't make sense if it were. I need to relook the Alchemist case so it'd be great if someone could some it up.

[Mathdino]

Hey. Hey wgeurts.

Guess who my top 3 scumreads are.

Will give ya something to do. Otherwise, I like this conversation just fine xD

All seriousness, this is prob town wgeurts. Town found.

[wgeurts]

Hey. Hey wgeurts.

Guess who my top 3 scumreads are.

Will give ya something to do. Otherwise, I like this conversation just fine xD

All seriousness, this is prob town wgeurts. Town found.

I'm guessing Alchemist is one, post the reads and the reasons, we need the ball to get rolling.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Uh.

My wagon hasn't hit more resistance than wgeurts' or amy's. Just mine has stuck around way longer.

My scumreads are like:

Alchemist: He is telegraphing his play in a way that makes it completely ineffectusl.
Aneninen: This is mostly him posting stupid and redundant questions that don't really sit well with me.
Romitelli: Yup. For lurking.

[wgeurts]

Uh.

My wagon hasn't hit more resistance than wgeurts' or amy's. Just mine has stuck around way longer.

My scumreads are like:

Alchemist: He is telegraphing his play in a way that makes it completely ineffectusl.
Aneninen: This is mostly him posting stupid and redundant questions that don't really sit well with me.
Romitelli: Yup. For lurking.

Quote Anen's "Stupid Questions", if possible do some quick meta to see if he normally does this as town/scum. Meta alchemist and explain more in depth please.

I'm doing meta on flubber/romi/Adrien/siv

[farside22]

He wasn't trying to excuse his play in the last pyp.

Why is that scummy?

Not playing to town meta, not taking responsibility for his actions, playing defensively, etc, etc.

Are you asking this out of disagreement or asking out of thinking I'm a moron?

I'm missing what your putting down.
How does not excusing his play in pyp make him scummy this game?

Gerts: my reads are here also see 408 add on.

[Ankamius]

Amy wagon at this point is bad. The way she handles the pressure is town.
Siveure trying to discredit Mathdino leaving the wagon is slimy as hell. Nothing about his ISO really gives me any good iggly wigglies either.
Something about Venrob's reads sounds town. Probably because of the Amy townread. The feeling I get from his play is that he wouldn't just close off that avenue so easily as scum.
Romitelli does a good job at trying to appear like he's doing something while not doing anything.

Those are the main things that stood out to me.

What did amy do that read town, quote example.
Same question about Siv. What did he do that gives you that read.

She's trying to get reads from the pressure she's getting instead of spending all her effort trying to dismantle the wagon. Other than a few posts at the start, it's been very little of that until the wagon dismantled. The posts after came less often (null tell), but had the same type of feel to them.

I don't understand your second question at all. I explained my scumread on him and the second point is basically just saying that nothing he posted gave me a particularly town feel to his play. Unless you want me to go into the first point more, this question isn't answerable.

VOTE: Siveure DtTrikyp

That's okay, because I posted the meat of why I think he's scum on the last page.

Why did you wait to vote for Siv?

I was kinda hoping to get interactions before committing to anything since I hadn't fully parsed where everyone is in my head at that point; the reads list was just general areas for everyone. After getting asked one question, I started being completely ignored and Siveure DtTrikyp made some pretty icky posts at that point so I just said fuck it and voted.

[Ankamius]

I think they all formed at the same speed. I'm not sure why you pause at lynching alchemist if you think he is scum and you think scum might be within the top 4

Because he's a PR and Siv prematurely claimed not-PR. That's pretty much it. I'm far more comfortable with Siv's lynch since we gain information and we don't lose a PR.

I want to hear

Ankamius's

argument on why this is town-Alchemist before I vote.

I studied how he played in the one completed game we played beforehand and I'm pretty sure I have a bead on how he thinks in mafia. This feels like a town mindset a lot more than a mafia mindset.

[Mathdino]

I also played with him. I dont see a compelling meta argument in his favour tbh.
VOTE: Alchemist

/phoneposting