Mini 1628: Rick Santorum Saves Xmas - Gaybepocalypse

[Mathdino]

He doesn't say "you're calling me scum based off of 'so-and-so'", he says "you're calling my reads shit because of 'so-and-so'". I find the difference notable.

I don't understand your point, and that doesn't tell me good things about you given you were very transparent as town.

I don't understand what you don't understand. As scum, you're more likely to be hyper-aware of your and your partner's alignments. As such, I find that scum is more likely to single out the fact that they're being scumread, while town is more likely to completely ignore and forget that (not once did he talk about being scumread) and instead focus on the attacks to their logic. I did the exact same thing in 575 to the point where I forgot I was being scumread for shitty logic and started using evidence that wasn't applicable at the time I made said logic to defend it because I was more interested in defending my ability as a town player rather than the fact that I was a town player.

[Wisdom]

You're expecting certain things from certain alignments. It's wrong. People play differently.

[crazypianist1116]

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2. Konowa isn't scum
3. Bert's got town points from WE.
4. Aronis is my scummiest read from that list right now, although I would entertain other options.

VOTE: Aronis

[Wisdom]

Why is Aronis scum?

[crazypianist1116]

Dislike 348, 406, and 433. Also lack of any original interesting opinions through d1.

You seem to be jumping to others' defenses pretty quickly Wisdom.

[Wisdom]

No, I'm questioning votes I disagree with.

What do you think about fuduzn?

[Mathdino]

I'm beginning to think I should expect that from Aronis.

Correct me if my premises are wrong, but what makes you back off of Flames?

[crazypianist1116]

Aronis' pretty sheep-y TSO vote seemed scummy, and there's been no further explanation why he did it, even though he put him at l-1.

I feel the same about FuD as I did on D1 but I still need to reread the last 3 pages not on mobile.

[Wisdom]

Isn't very alignment indicative for aronis

[crazypianist1116]

Go on.

[Wisdom]

I feel the same about FuD as I did on D1

which is?

[Shinobi]

The fuck are people voting me for?

[Shinobi]

I was 'this' close to stealing that box as well. Self hi5 for making the correct choice.

Also, shinobis first post toDay ping my scumdar coupled with 363 makes meVOTE: shinobi.

Decided on stealing from Marquis because I think I was scum reading him as well, I have to read back over the last day again(I was a bit MIA).

Pre edit: Wisdom brings up a good point, why word that as one or the other math?

This is easily the worst vote on my wagon. I can give Math some room to think because I still kinda think he's town due to the reasoning I gave beforehand, but this shit will not fly.

VOTE: FuDuzn

I should've pushed you harder yesterday.

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[Flames682]

Or he could be scum who saw an opportunity for a quick an easy mislynch.

Why are you trying so hard to poke holes in my argument? Scum move in my opinion to jump all over a potential VI move, town would Give benefit of the doubt intially and would at least wait for Bert to offer an explanation before insta voting.

Oh wait, didn't you insta vote as well wisdom?

Wrong.

I would've instavoted as well if TSO wasn't my bigger scumread. Shinobi says exactly why he's voting Bert, which is a reasonable argument to vote him. Instavoting for a scummy move isn't scummy at all.

Also the first post of the day was not scummy. That looks like an excuse to vote him. Shinobi had a better argument for voting Bert in 363 than you do for voting Shinobi now.

VOTE: FuD

Why is Marquis's refusal to do the plan make him slightly more townier than Shinobi? Didn't you say that people who didn't follow the plan were scum?

Since scum are aware of what box has the kill, any hesitance to pick that box shows scum.

[Mathdino]

Marquis didn't hesitate to pick the killbox since I only suggested 3 harmless boxes for him.

I think talking about this aspect of Marquis so much is making it look like I'm townreading him, which I'm not and I think that should be clear. The fact that he did that gives him a couple townpoints that gives him an edge over Shinobi on my suspect list, that's all. Until I reread Flames and CP1116 (I mostly skimmed over them), Marq is still my 2nd top suspect.

[Wisdom]

What 3 boxes are you talking about?

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Marquis should take box 11

is the only one you tell him what to take and even that is invalid because there is no box 11.

I fail to understand where you are getting townpoints from.

[Flames682]

Okay, so why is 363 scummy Math?

[Bert]

I didn't get a message that this day began, catching up

[Mathdino]

What 3 boxes are you talking about?

This:

Marquis should take box 11

is the only one you tell him what to take and even that is invalid because there is no box 11.

I fail to understand where you are getting townpoints from.

LOL

Okay I'm stupid. I also told him to take box 2 AFTER he took box 2. And for some reason I thought I had him pick something else as well.

Gonna keep my vote on Shinobi for the time being because I approve of this wagon and wagoning doesn't appear to do much pressure to Marq. But that pretty much equalises my reads.

[Wisdom]

You didn't even remember what happened yet you gave townpoints to people

sounds legit

[Flames682]

Thanks for answering my question /s

[Wisdom]

Okay, so why is 363 scummy Math?

You seemed to agree with this yesterday

[Mathdino]

@Flames: Sorry, got distracted. It's going after low hanging fruit by sheeping a widely townread player. It's the definition of opportunism, except most people didn't latch onto it. In 492 his excuse to Wisdom is "I was sheeping you" which is, needless to say, lame-ass (combined with the fact that he ended up voting the guy he sheeped, likely to backpedal from the move), and the post right after reads fake in itself; he never commented on TSO once until after he got lynched.

@Wisdom: After 575 and 574, I think people have expected more strength from me than I can output since back then I was only in a couple games and now I'm in multiple along with a job. I can still keep up but I'm not infallible to fucking up.

[Wisdom]

In 492 his excuse to Wisdom is "I was sheeping you" which is, needless to say, lame-ass (combined with the fact that he ended up voting the guy he sheeped, likely to backpedal from the move)

These make him town if anything