Open 587 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[Sup-Zero]

I am back from the dead. Does anyone have any specific questioning they would like to do about me?

Do something?

[archaebob]

Arch if you think that Teapot is bussing ABR then why bother switching at all?

Your point on daytalk seems like a bit of a stretch.

At this precise moment, I suspect Teapot more than Albert. I think it's convenient for Teapot to be on Albert's wagon. I think this might be because Albert is also scum, but that's not necessarily true.

It's not a stretch. The scum have day-talk. It's affecting their play.

Yes, it'd be a mistake to invest too much thinking in exactly how that day-talk is being used.

But Albert-scum, a little bored with this game, barking orders into a QT that everyone pile on? Not a stretch.

[TheCow]

Teapot looks pretty sp00ky to me. That much is clear. Anyway, Arch's long rant just there: quite the wall. Was it out of frustration towards the player, or what? Could be that, or a self-condemning quasi-bluff looking thing. *shrugs*

This is too much for my little Cow brain to handle all at once. I'm going to chew it some, and see what the cud tastes like.

At this point, it looks like ABR is almost asking to be lynched. I don't know the guy, so I wouldn't know if this is a regular thing or not. From a Town perspective, this could be done to easily control where the Venge kill will go by the Town player. From a Scum perspective, this could be done to bluff out of a lynch -- though in this situation, that would be illogical, as there is no reason for a town to want to be lynched, or act in such a manner at all.

What I'm getting at here is, ABR

shouldn't

be town, but anything is possible.

The secondary interaction mention above also deserves some looking into, though I'd rather see the response before drawing a conclusion.

[archaebob]

It's not a stretch. The scum have day-talk. It's affecting their play.

Yes, it'd be a mistake to invest too much thinking in exactly how that day-talk is being used.

But Albert-scum, a little bored with this game, barking orders into a QT that everyone pile on? Not a stretch.

Actually I take this back. It is a stretch. I'm making the same mistake I just finished describing - trying to solve the whole thing in my head, all at once.

It doesn't matter if he's bussing or not.

[Teapot]

Sorry, however I'm not basing it off meta. Meta is something than can support a read, it should never be used as the foundation of one. As people change or can manipulate it, it's not a trustworthy tool. However it does do a good job of making something more probable, I'm mostly voting ABR off the fact he's posting no content and he's jumped on all the main-wagons nakedly. The fact he's done this before as scum isn't the basis of my reasoning, it on it's own is scum play.
However there is meta of it, it may be unrealiable, ABR has manipulated meta very well before. However due to the fact we've seen his play can be like this as scum it just supports the case on him. However little. Astinus, if you believe he could be scum, that means I'm either town or scum bussing. Which is more likely day 1?
Someone's got to put him up at L1 at some point; this time it happened to be me. We can lynch him to see if he's scum, as lets face it, we all sometimes are wrong. Hence I'm asking for ABR's target if he truely is town, it makes me nervous that someone who's posted so little content will have the power to lynch someone instantly. He's been on all the wagons making it seem he doesn't have specific reads, he also continues to ignore my questions.

If anyone thinks my vote is opportunistic, how would that fit into a situation where he's scum? It likely wouldn't, unless I'm hard bussing. It would otherwise indicate you think he's town, so I'm going to ask why? Why do you think he's town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

So much WIFOM.

[BBmolla]

hi I'm town

[BBmolla]

VOTE: BBmolla

[Teapot]

VOTE: BBmolla

Welcome, why you voting yourself?
Have you read the game yet?

[theslimer3]

Clearly if he's voting himself

[vettrock]

VOTE: BBmolla

Really? I see no reason why town would self vote at this point. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I see a reason why scum would do it either, especially since it is the only vote.

I'm not sure what to make of ABR. He seems to be daring us to lynch him so he can make the vengekill, but he would get the vengekill only if he is town. I actually agree with his WIFOM post. The problem is town should not be trying to spread ambigouity. Town should be trying to figure things out. There are no power role to protect. Scum knows the setup and therefore who is town and who is scum, so you aren't fooling them.

[pisskop]

BB B a selfvoter, iirc

[Sup-Zero]

Yo shin, what's that scummy wall you were talking about?

[Teapot]

Someone hammer him, it's meeting resistance, guess what that usually means?
I believe the scum are attempting to shift it onto me, I know I'm town so if ABR flips scum we should really look at my wagom.

[vettrock]

Vote Count 1.8

Albert B. Rampage (4)

-

pisskop, BBMolla, Astinus, vettrock

Teapot (3)

-

texcat, Albert B. Rampage, archaebob

vettrock (1)

-

Teapot

Not Voting:

theslimer3, TheCow, Morgan, Sup-Zero

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-02-14 21:36:32).

BBMolla has moved his vote to himself. No other vote moves since then.

Someone hammer him, it's meeting resistance, guess what that usually means?
I believe the scum are attempting to shift it onto me, I know I'm town so if ABR flips scum we should really look at my wagom.

No one is in hammering range anymore. I'm assuming you are talking about ABR, but as of the latest vote count, you aren't even voting him.

[vettrock]

So uh, vettrocks not scum. I'm not allowed to say why due to site rules, I'll say no more.
VOTE: ABR
If it isn't clear yet; Votes all main wagons, not usual play, similar to other scum games and intentional no content.

Actually

@Mod: it looks like Teapot moved his vote to ABR and that isn't in the last vote count.

[Teapot]

Wut,
VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[BBmolla]

I'm a day 1 vengeful I just wanted to use my ability.

Lemme read this game and i might move it. Will read when I get home from class in a couple hours.

[pisskop]

I read up, and I'm happy with my vote being on ABR.

Vettock can have a few townpoints, and Teapot seems mehkay.
@Supzero I was apparently talking to your other head.

[archaebob]

Teapot, what do you actually think of vettrock. Don't withhold details. If site rules makes your evidence inadmissable, it's bad evidence. I don't trust your perspective shifts between ABR and vettrock and back again over the last few pages.

[Wisdom]

Actually

@Mod: it looks like Teapot moved his vote to ABR and that isn't in the last vote count.

You're right, sorry about that. Votecount 1.8 corrected.

[Wisdom]

Vote Count 1.9

Albert B. Rampage (4)

-

pisskop, Astinus, vettrock, Teapot

Teapot (3)

-

texcat, Albert B. Rampage, archaebob

BBMolla (1)

-

BBMolla

Not Voting:

theslimer3, TheCow, Morgan, Sup-Zero

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-02-14 21:36:32).

[Teapot]

Teapot, what do you actually think of vettrock. Don't withhold details. If site rules makes your evidence inadmissable, it's bad evidence. I don't trust your perspective shifts between ABR and vettrock and back again over the last few pages.

He's town, you know that meta I asked of him? Well, I've got it but I can't explain it.
However, I'm not going to clear him as town with meta, it's just eased my suspicions for the time being. He's almost definetley town if ABR flips scum so I see more usage in pushing my main suspicion than someone I could sort later off information and further play.

I must ask you, I may be scummy to you, however am I worse than ABR? I suggest you vote him and join me for now, lets clear away a publicly held read. Lets face it, if ABR flips scum your read on me probaly will change slightly, if he flips town you may proceed to doubt me.
I honestly think that scum are redirecting to me, ABR's death will prove this. So if ABR flips town, we'll have 2 very town players; Me and Vett.

What's the better option?

[Teapot]

ABR's probaly scum, I'm starting to think Texcat as well however that's matter to ponder if ABR flips scum.

[Teapot]

You bob could also be scum, however I like to think you're town for now. What are your thoughts on the game?
Who would be scum besides me/ABR?