New York 180 (Endgame)

[Kitz]

If the claims are true Kitz has got the shittiest towncred.

Yeah, that's true. I'm OK with lynching kitz.

Oooooh shit~

vote Kitz

VOTE: Kitz

VOTE: Kitz

VOTE: Kitz

VOTE: Kitz

vote: Kitz

That makes me L5?
I'm unaffected to this pressure. In fact, the voting is so fast that it's unrealistic and unreasonable.
One of these voters are definitely scum.

However, to make things a bit interesting, I have a confession. Was gonna post this regardlessly anyway.
I actually didn't know what roles are available. The only role I knew was my own, and I was all blind. I tried to look around this thread to see what roles are available, since I'm used to my own site meta that roles available are on the same thread - OP 1st Post. That made me overly neutral and would only open up later when I actually had an idea of stuff.
Thanks to the discussion of Wolf and House tho, I know what roles are around.

[pisskop]

I never brushed you off. I answered every one of your points. Don't misrep.

You did answer them. I guess I didn't realize I qualified as a lurker. :\

I pulled that comment from my notes. I've been reading Aero as scum for a while, but that particular post stands out to me.

If I'm a scumread of yours, why aren't you voting me instead of the latest wagon that cropped up out of nowhere?

I'm voting Kitz because I'm unsure if Elusive's on you is some kind of bussing or what. If you don't want the focus on Kitz then that's where I think it should be atm.

I think ABR's claim is going to have to be confirmed later, but I think I believe viking's.

Why in the world do you have doubt about ABR's claim?

He didn't have nearly enough votes on him for it to be scum pressured into a fakeclaim.

You're right. But he could do it as a measured action to move the wagon along. He clearly knew it would end the discussion about his play.
Is it normal for people to claim outside of RVS, under pressure, or in order to CC/reveal?

It also creates WIFOM for the NK, as scum now have to decide which PR to go after and hope they hit the one that's not being protected.

If we have a n1 NK, it's thanks to ABR's claim. Remember that.

Okay. I can see that. I still aim to see it confirmed; otherwise future scum could try this.

[House]

If the claims are true Kitz has got the shittiest towncred.

Yeah, that's true. I'm OK with lynching kitz.

Oooooh shit~

vote Kitz

VOTE: Kitz

VOTE: Kitz

VOTE: Kitz

VOTE: Kitz

vote: Kitz

That makes me L5?
I'm unaffected to this pressure. In fact, the voting is so fast that it's unrealistic and unreasonable.
One of these voters are definitely scum.

What a say nothing statement. You could pull 5 names for any reason and say the same thing.

However, to make things a bit interesting, I have a confession. Was gonna post this regardlessly anyway.
I actually didn't know what roles are available. The only role I knew was my own, and I was all blind. I tried to look around this thread to see what roles are available, since I'm used to my own site meta that roles available are on the same thread - OP 1st Post. That made me overly neutral and would only open up later when I actually had an idea of stuff.
Thanks to the discussion of Wolf and House tho, I know what roles are around.

What are you even talking about here?

[SilverWolf]

Kitz, Can I have some of what you are smoking? It sounds like good stuff and I'm stressed. TIA

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kitz is scumming up the thread. Trying to think of a realistic claim that hasn't been said, probably.

[Kitz]

What are you even talking about here?

I can be quite literal.
TLDR : I didn't know the roles, other than the PM I received. That's not a claim to what my role is, I'm just stating the facts. Wolf posted the list of what roles there is.

What a say nothing statement. You could pull 5 names for any reason and say the same thing.

I was quoting so that the post numbers are visible to show how short it's between eachothers, except time. It also works as a vote count, to help.

[House]

I never brushed you off. I answered every one of your points. Don't misrep.

You did answer them. I guess I didn't realize I qualified as a lurker. :\

I pulled that comment from my notes. I've been reading Aero as scum for a while, but that particular post stands out to me.

If I'm a scumread of yours, why aren't you voting me instead of the latest wagon that cropped up out of nowhere?

I'm voting Kitz because I'm unsure if Elusive's on you is some kind of bussing or what. If you don't want the focus on Kitz then that's where I think it should be atm.

Busted. I'm scum and Kitz is totally my buddy. Damn you and your meddling dog!

I think ABR's claim is going to have to be confirmed later, but I think I believe viking's.

Why in the world do you have doubt about ABR's claim?

He didn't have nearly enough votes on him for it to be scum pressured into a fakeclaim.

You're right. But he could do it as a measured action to move the wagon along. He clearly knew it would end the discussion about his play.
Is it normal for people to claim outside of RVS, under pressure, or in order to CC/reveal?

It's normal for annoyed/frustrated town to do things that aren't necessarily optimal play in order to move the game along.

It also creates WIFOM for the NK, as scum now have to decide which PR to go after and hope they hit the one that's not being protected.

If we have a n1 NK, it's thanks to ABR's claim. Remember that.

Okay. I can see that. I still aim to see it confirmed; otherwise future scum could try this.

This is pretty meaningless, as ABR's role will be confirmed naturally in time as the game progresses. If it's not, no amount of railing about needing it confirmed will make it so and it will be pretty obvious what needs to happen.

We can cross that bridge when we come to it, but you making such a big deal about it now when nothing can really be done about it on d1 is just meh.

[House]

What are you even talking about here?

I can be quite literal.
TLDR : I didn't know the roles, other than the PM I received. That's not a claim to what my role is, I'm just stating the facts.

Wolf posted the list of what roles there is.

Link to this post, because I haven't seen it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's sane. It's a normal game.

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie, Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia-aligned or SK-aligned versions of above roles

Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.

[Kitz]

Link to this post, because I haven't seen it.

Are you kidding me?

He's sane. It's a normal game.

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie, Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia-aligned or SK-aligned versions of above roles

Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.

[Aeronaut]

Oh jeeze, so many pages. Reading

[SilverWolf]

What are you even talking about here?

I can be quite literal.
TLDR : I didn't know the roles, other than the PM I received. That's not a claim to what my role is, I'm just stating the facts.

Wolf posted the list of what roles there is.

Link to this post, because I haven't seen it.

Yes, you have. You responded to it. ABR and Kitz quoted if for you. It's from this link. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

It isn't necessarily what is in this game. It's what is possible in normal games. Why this is an issue kitz is bringing up is beyond me but whatever.

[elusive]

Kitz, roles outside of that are possible too. In fact, I'm pretty sure there are town roles that aren't explicitly stated there or similar function but different name. I'm also interested in the claimed roles seeming to be continuous as compares to roles that are one shot or have some limits. It's ika so there's room for creativity.

[House]

Link to this post, because I haven't seen it.

Are you kidding me?

He's sane. It's a normal game.

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie, Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia-aligned or SK-aligned versions of above roles

Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.

So you think all of these roles are in this game?

Seriously?

[Kitz]

So you think all of these roles are in this game?

Seriously?

Possible roles. It would be stupid to have every single role exist.
Before, I only knew 1 role.

[SilverWolf]

Kitz-What is your point though? I'm confused why this is an issue or is it even?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum misdirection. Ignore and vote kitz.

[elusive]

Kitz, town mentality is Never give up, never surrender.

You can fight this off, if your town self shines through.

I remembered know how annoying it was.

[SilverWolf]

Kitz, town mentality is Never give up, never surrender.

You can fight this off, if your town self shines through.

I remembered know how annoying it was.

And you know Kitz is town because?

[Kitz]

However, to make things a bit interesting, I have a confession. Was gonna post this regardlessly anyway.

I'm some sort of oddball / weirdo.

Just pointing this out that I was going to post this thingie regardless of the votes, and the votes makes it an inappropriate time to mention it.
Since I'm being voted, I figured, meh it's inappropriate, may as well just post it anyway and write a bit extra on the small thing I would say since everything's going to be sooooo freaking overanalyzed so I can see who pays attention to the actually more important stuff. At least the fact that I didn't know the roles, is made a fact publically now and visible.

"I didn't know the roles half of the game." ended up with a wall of text and loads of bickering.

Though, you're completely overlooking this actual opinion of mine. No sarcasm.

One of these voters are definitely scum.

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Kitz, town mentality is Never give up, never surrender.

You can fight this off, if your town self shines through.

I remembered know how annoying it was.

Uhhh what? I'm not giving up, not surrendering. Soooo, what?

I'm unaffected to this pressure.

[elusive]

Oh ok, I thought you were getting ready to claim.

[Kitz]

Oh ok, I thought you were getting ready to claim.

I claimed that I know my own role, if that helps.
Although that's like if an idiot claimed that he figured out what language is.

[ika]

VC 1.0

Kitz: ABR, Naked jogger, SilverWolf, Grib, House, Pisskop [L-5]

FA_Q2: Cheetory6 [L-10]

Wake88: croboss [L-10]

T S O: Jared615 [L-10]

acryon: Shinobi [L-10]

Jared615: vikingfan [L-10]

vikingfan: Klingoncelt [L-10]

Dragonspawn: Boonskiies [L-10]

Elusive: FA_Q2 [L-10]

House: Elusive [L-10]

ABR: kitz [L-10]

Not voting: TSO, Wake88, dragonspawn, Aeronaut

21 alive, 11 to lynch

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

Mod notes: replacing croboss if you know anyone pm them plz
jared has about 4 hr before i force replace. but i will submit him to replacements

[Aeronaut]

Not really liking Kitz's reaction to the pressure. Seems like a lot of telling us how calm she is, when she's not.

Also this

I'm just going to voice my opinion loudly. Albert B. Rampage is kinda scummy. Read the ISO, all posts are about voting, getting others to vote, fillers / fluff, base questions.
In short, I'm seeing no contribution, just sheeping and sheepherding. Opinions, guys?

Ok, so voicing your opinion loudly would implicate you voting. You're voicing your opinion softly, and then asking for our opinions before actually following through.

@Grib Son, you better start scumhunting or something because I'm going to lynch your ass off if you don't

Believe me, I think I'd have an easier time playing this game if I were scum. I have a hard enough time scumhunting when there are only 8 other players.

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

fake edit: none of that is particularly atypical for town!ABR.

This post really bothers me. For one, I'm not really a fan of the "If I were scum" approach to things. It reads to me like you're trying to make us believe scum would do the opposite of what you're doing.

The second thing is that you're literally asking us for our opinions before taking any sort of stance. That's just as bad as what Kitz did above, really.

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

Townreads, yes. And because of [redacted], I honestly feel it's enough, at least for now.

But if you want scumreads, you'll have to direct me to a scummy player and I'll consult the gods.

"Tell me who you're scumreading so I can piggyback"

Explicitly non-normal roles cannot be in Normal games, in spite of the slots that allow unique roles. The Fruit Vendor, for example, isn't on the 'Normal' whitelist, nor is it considered 'explictly non-normal,' so it would be allowed. If somewhere I am completely wrong on this, please let me know immediately.

Hey, Wake, I understand that you're not fully healthy at this point, but do you have anything to add besides theory? It just seems like a random time / thing to contribute.

The deadline is in 4 days. I don't have time for this. I'm the town tracker. Let's lynch someone else.

This is unnecessary.

I'm not a fan of Rampage lynch day one because he's not a lurker and also he can be fun to watch.

Are you saying we can only lynch lurkers?

Meh, I can't read Kitz.

If we get close to deadline and need a lynch I'll hammer.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Post 97 looks like a way of giving himself an excuse to be on mislynch wagons.

This post is so incredibly random, especially seeing that you changed it to that player you can't read three posts later. Why are you scumreading me for a post I made 30 pages ago? That makes no sense, and you know it.

It looks to me like you were making it look like you were wavering, thinking it out, first, etc. Basic noise.

However, to make things a bit interesting, I have a confession. Was gonna post this regardlessly anyway.
I actually didn't know what roles are available. The only role I knew was my own, and I was all blind. I tried to look around this thread to see what roles are available, since I'm used to my own site meta that roles available are on the same thread - OP 1st Post. That made me overly neutral and would only open up later when I actually had an idea of stuff.
Thanks to the discussion of Wolf and House tho, I know what roles are around.

This really looks so much like you're trying to make us think you're naive or that you don't know what you're doing. You've been here for four months, looking at your join date. I find it hard to believe you didn't look up the setup or how it worked if you were curious at any time before this on the wiki or whatever. Even if you didn't, why bring it up now? Why not when the conversation was happening? That makes no sense to me. You included that in your defense of yourself to make us see you as a vulnerable newbie, and to distract us.

I'm not really buying that.

VOTE: Kitz

I'd also like see Grib or Elusive die today, but this seems like the cool wagon for now. Gotta look into house now too, I think.

[elusive]

Kitz, are you an alt?

Aeronaut, from what I can tell Kitz only has two or so games on this site so unless she's an alt, she is a newbie and some of her questions were the same kinds that I had. I can think of townie mindsets for what she's thinking. Wondering about the setup is a real thing, the only reason I haven't asked more questions is because of fearing of giving too much away.

I get that Rampage's little Russian Roulette game may glean some dividends but I haven't seen it work yet. I've also never been in a game (in my probably short history) where scum died from a day one lynch. Do people have stats on it (ABR's success rate of scum lynches)

I'd rather see people go after a strong player and see what happens or reactions from that. Therefore, my vote on House. Maybe I'll switch to Wake or one of the other Boss type Pokemon.

And yes if I had to choose, I would choose to lynch a lurker most times because from my brief experience they become a thorn in the side. Also usually newb scum heavy lurks.

I don't like your last line, "cool wagon," doesn't equal "wagon on scum."