New York 180 (Endgame)

[Nobody Special]

Intuition and deductive reasoning were both involved.

witchcraft

In other news, MathBlade is most probably town.

House's replace out was townish.

Agreed.

[dragonspawn]

Okay, I ISO'd Cheetory, and I have him at leaning Town.

Why?

Why should she tell more than you did for your town read of elusive?

[Ellie]

So she doesn't get lynched?

[Shinobi]

What was townish about House's replacement?

[SilverWolf]

What was townish about House's replacement?

It was genuine and not faked and gave me a town frustration feel.

[MathBlade]

Strictly speaking, off policy, lynching klingon has some positives:

A, it's only a townie. We don't risk losing a power role on day 1.
B, if we move on to someone else, we risk outing more powerful roles (I do NOT want to out any protective roles or other town PRs at this point)
C, we probably have something like a third of the game being scum so obviously not every claim is going to be true. Strictly mathematically then, we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum and that's going purely randomly. Add in comments like lynching 3 slots and it is definitely not a random lynch, ergo, the chances of hitting scum go up.

What am I missing here?

I think this is scum. Still working on VCA but we should never lynch someone we believea ret own ever. Only a townie means not a scum.

Saying you don''t want to out more powers at this point is craziness. Yous hould never want to out powers. this implies a mindset of wanting to expose things to scum.

Thisi s a closed setup. I don't know how many scum there are or not.

VOTE: vikingfan

[Klingoncelt]

Does a person deserve to die over a single post?

I think it really depends on the post. However in this case, that first post on it's own isn't enough to vote for her, it's her trying to justify it as any sort of relevant scum hunting. If people had gone along with that, it would be a little-to-no information lynch, which works out great for scum.

@KlingonCelt;

What was your reasoning for Kitz when you joined that wagon?

Her play was ... strange all along, it was this post that finally did it for me:

"In post 925, Kitz wrote:Oooooh shit~
...

That makes me L5?
I'm unaffected to this pressure. In fact, the voting is so fast that it's unrealistic and unreasonable.
One of these voters are definitely scum.

However, to make things a bit interesting, I have a confession. Was gonna post this regardlessly anyway.
I actually didn't know what roles are available. The only role I knew was my own, and I was all blind. I tried to look around this thread to see what roles are available, since I'm used to my own site meta that roles available are on the same thread - OP 1st Post. That made me overly neutral and would only open up later when I actually had an idea of stuff.
Thanks to the discussion of Wolf and House tho, I know what roles are around."

It was so wtf.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I ISO'd Cheetory, and I have him at leaning Town.

Why?

He's asking questions and trying to get players involved.

[Klingoncelt]

So she doesn't get lynched?

At last count I was L-6.

Klingoncelt: Aeronaut, TSO, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan [L-6]

Who is the scum on my wagon? Not WS.

Definitely scum somewhere in Aeronaut, TSO, FA_Q2, vikingfan.

[Aeronaut]

Does a person deserve to die over a single post?

I think it really depends on the post. However in this case, that first post on it's own isn't enough to vote for her, it's her trying to justify it as any sort of relevant scum hunting. If people had gone along with that, it would be a little-to-no information lynch, which works out great for scum.

@KlingonCelt;

What was your reasoning for Kitz when you joined that wagon?

Her play was ... strange all along, it was this post that finally did it for me:

"In post 925, Kitz wrote:Oooooh shit~
...

That makes me L5?
I'm unaffected to this pressure. In fact, the voting is so fast that it's unrealistic and unreasonable.
One of these voters are definitely scum.

However, to make things a bit interesting, I have a confession. Was gonna post this regardlessly anyway.
I actually didn't know what roles are available. The only role I knew was my own, and I was all blind. I tried to look around this thread to see what roles are available, since I'm used to my own site meta that roles available are on the same thread - OP 1st Post. That made me overly neutral and would only open up later when I actually had an idea of stuff.
Thanks to the discussion of Wolf and House tho, I know what roles are around."

It was so wtf.

Ok, so that's pretty good reasoning. So, why move off that solid read and instead try to lynch three empty lurker slots?

[Klingoncelt]

Ok, so that's pretty good reasoning. So, why move off that solid read and instead try to lynch three empty lurker slots?

I didn't vote for any of the empty slots. I asked the others if they wanted to do it.

At that time I had no superstrong scum reads on anyone. Even the one on Kitz was basically over a confusing playstyle.

I mean, I could vote for Pisscop, claiming that he's scum because once he moved his vote off TSO he jumped on every wagon that rolled by.

(Actually I do have him and TSO at leaning scum, along with FA_Q2 and the House slot.)

[Aeronaut]

So you're trying to get us to vote for the empty slots, but you wont vote for them yourself?

[Klingoncelt]

So you're trying to get us to vote for the empty slots, but you wont vote for them yourself?

I was wondering how everyone felt about it. Don't be so derpy.

[elusive]

MathBlade, vikingfan claimed cop.

[Wake1]

pisskop, you seem like you want people to think you're town, but are actually scum.

So what exactly makes you think that?

Hi Ellie. Not sure if you missed it, but I asked you a question.

[vikingfan]

Strictly speaking, off policy, lynching klingon has some positives:

A, it's only a townie. We don't risk losing a power role on day 1.
B, if we move on to someone else, we risk outing more powerful roles (I do NOT want to out any protective roles or other town PRs at this point)
C, we probably have something like a third of the game being scum so obviously not every claim is going to be true. Strictly mathematically then, we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum and that's going purely randomly. Add in comments like lynching 3 slots and it is definitely not a random lynch, ergo, the chances of hitting scum go up.

What am I missing here?

I think this is scum. Still working on VCA but we should never lynch someone we believea ret own ever. Only a townie means not a scum.

Saying you don''t want to out more powers at this point is craziness. Yous hould never want to out powers. this implies a mindset of wanting to expose things to scum.

Thisi s a closed setup. I don't know how many scum there are or not.

VOTE: vikingfan

Mathblade, I've already claimed cop a long time ago and people had already discussed the rough probability of how many scum there are. based off past games, 1/3 is a good estimate, which is why I used it.

I agree, klingon is a compromise lynch. I"m just concerned that A, we won't get enough votes on someone else to get a lynch with some inactive slots and B, going after someone else will out more PRs. You are correct though that a klingon lynch won't tell us much. That said, I have this question, whose lynch would? I'm not coming up with anyone offhand.

[FakedBlogger]

Aeronaut is there a difference between how much thought you put into a post depending on alignment?

Not particularly, or at least I don't think so. Moreso, it changed with confidence; When I'm pretty confident I'm right, I tend to make shorter trollier posts, and when I'm less confident I tend to stay more on topic and be more analytical.

I find it oddly meticulous that you conceived the answer and copied it, wrote and posted the question, pasted the answer, topped it off with a nonchalant remark:

Ok. Let's generate discussion

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

For me as town, I tend second guess myself too much; I always assume I'm wrong and vote with the crowd, when I should have gone with my gut.

As scum, I have a lot of trouble when the game gets that awkward point where the only scummy people are the ones aligned with you; I usually freak out and choke, and then get lynched. It's a vicious cycle.

Anyone who's played a game with me can vouch for that.

I mean, I guess that's a pretty big flaw

Describe your state of mind when you wrote this.

pisskop, NakedJogger is being a really antagonistic brat. Do you have any concerns about this?

NakedJogger, I suggest you try a modicum of civility. This dbag shtick might have worked for you in other games but stop trying to overcompensate.

I'm overcompensating for the lack of clothes and bequest of fucks about your suggestions. Never have I made a derogatory comment directed at anything other than playstyle in discord with the higher good of delineating the rift between townie and scummy behavior.


@ SW 1076, please.

[SilverWolf]

Strictly speaking, off policy, lynching klingon has some positives:

A, it's only a townie. We don't risk losing a power role on day 1.
B, if we move on to someone else, we risk outing more powerful roles (I do NOT want to out any protective roles or other town PRs at this point)
C, we probably have something like a third of the game being scum so obviously not every claim is going to be true. Strictly mathematically then, we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum and that's going purely randomly. Add in comments like lynching 3 slots and it is definitely not a random lynch, ergo, the chances of hitting scum go up.

What am I missing here?

I think this is scum. Still working on VCA but we should never lynch someone we believea ret own ever. Only a townie means not a scum.

Saying you don''t want to out more powers at this point is craziness. Yous hould never want to out powers. this implies a mindset of wanting to expose things to scum.

Thisi s a closed setup. I don't know how many scum there are or not.

VOTE: vikingfan

We are not lynching a claimed cop.

[SilverWolf]

I don't think scum would've suggested to policy lynch replacees like Klingon did unless she was getting bored.

Your game is off, House. You're nitpicky and boring.

So why Kitz, boringHouse?

I've never known him to be so oddly nitpicky and boring before.

hmm. SW, did Klingon's responses alleviate or aggravate your scumread on her?

Mildly strengthens because her and I both know House and that he wouldn't respond well to this and when you add in she started a conversation that resulted in him being replaced..........................yeah.

I don't really have a better alternative atm either although I do agree with ellie about pisskop's tone being forced/clipped and I have a slight scumread on that spot. I'd rather not get another person within claiming distance, we are close to deadline also. meh-my whole case on her is weak but I'd rather not NL either.

[Kitz]

Her play was ... strange all along, it was this post that finally did it for me:

That latter part would be there regardless of being voted, as I have repetitively mentioned.
As for the unrealistic votes, I didn't see pressure or lynch votes, but basically a wagon that I couldn't read and it came from nowhere. Many votes are naked, there's no questions directed to me, there was a lack of reason and there were scummier players around.
What's the point of being pressured by such an obnoxious speed wagon?

I still remain with my bold claim that at least one or two of the voters are Scum due the nature and speed of that wagon.

[Aeronaut]

Aeronaut is there a difference between how much thought you put into a post depending on alignment?

Not particularly, or at least I don't think so. Moreso, it changed with confidence; When I'm pretty confident I'm right, I tend to make shorter trollier posts, and when I'm less confident I tend to stay more on topic and be more analytical.

I find it oddly meticulous that you conceived the answer and copied it, wrote and posted the question, pasted the answer, topped it off with a nonchalant remark:

What?

Ok. Let's generate discussion

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

For me as town, I tend second guess myself too much; I always assume I'm wrong and vote with the crowd, when I should have gone with my gut.

As scum, I have a lot of trouble when the game gets that awkward point where the only scummy people are the ones aligned with you; I usually freak out and choke, and then get lynched. It's a vicious cycle.

Anyone who's played a game with me can vouch for that.

I mean, I guess that's a pretty big flaw

Describe your state of mind when you wrote this.

Uh, I wanted to generate discussion instead of circlejerking all day.

the third quote is just replying to someone who said that their biggest flaw was that they get lynched.

[Aeronaut]

So you're trying to get us to vote for the empty slots, but you wont vote for them yourself?

I was wondering how everyone felt about it. Don't be so derpy.

Yea, that's what makes it so scummy.

Instead of taking a solid stance on it, you felt to need to see if everyone was going to agree with you, which is so fucking terrible. If you were town, you wouldn't be afraid to have a different opinion, but here,

you're actively trying to fit in.

Scum.

Can. We. Please. Lynch. This.

[Aeronaut]

Anyone resisting this lynch should be lynched tomorrow.

[T S O]

Klingoncelt, you've yet to explain why scum would have to be on your wagon. If your wagon was founded on a completely irrelevant reason, maybe, but you made a stupidly scummy statement. So... no, not really.

[T S O]

Also why do you put it out there you'd vote pisskop? Why don't you actually do it? Is it because you don't want to have to back up your read on him by yourself?