New York 181 -- Game Over

[ika]

Still policy lynching kling

[Klingoncelt]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

[ika]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

i dont even care what role you claim, your policy lynch

[dragonspawn]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

[Klingoncelt]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

[dragonspawn]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

[Klingoncelt]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

Okay.

Policy lynching me is not fair. I did not lash out because there were a couple of votes on me, that was someone else.
Punish the player that started the shit, not the one that finished it.

Further, I am 99.99% sure that wolf/her slot is Scum/SK. Why should I not be allowed to vote for her/it/them/him?

[ika]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

Okay.

1)Policy lynching me is not fair.
2)I did not lash out because there were a couple of votes on me, that was someone else.
3)Punish the player that started the shit, not the one that finished it.

4)Further, I am 99.99% sure that wolf/her slot is Scum/SK.
5)Why should I not be allowed to vote for her/it/them/him?

1) boo fucking hoo, cry me a river. you forced an enjoyable player to replace out
2) yes cus she was transparently town and you are pushign her as sk.
-wanna see another game where this shit happened?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59268
PM was pushed as sk so far that when she fucking broke garmr still didnt believe it. I have talk with mollie for days about that game scince then. so really dont even start that kind of shit with SW.
3) tbh you instigated it further by geting very personal
4) how so, plz tell me more about this "sk" fabrication
5) you can you just wont get support

seriously your whining already tells me you are no PR of any sort and that if you even try to claim that shit i will not take it for one second

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.09

Klingoncelt - 6 - SilverWolf, House, Aneninen, Drixx, davesaz, ika

Albert B. Rampage - 2 - freeko, Egg
dragonspawn - 2 - Nikanor, texcat
SilverWolf - 2 - DeltaWave, Klingoncelt

Aneninen - 1 - T S O
DeltaWave - 1 - dragonspawn
House - 1 - Flubbernugget
Nikanor - 1 - Garmr
texcat - 1 - elusive
Wake88 - 1 - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting: Shiro, Wake88

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-13 13:25:47)

V/LA: Wake88, through Friday, February 27

[Klingoncelt]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

Okay.

1)Policy lynching me is not fair.
2)I did not lash out because there were a couple of votes on me, that was someone else.
3)Punish the player that started the shit, not the one that finished it.

4)Further, I am 99.99% sure that wolf/her slot is Scum/SK.
5)Why should I not be allowed to vote for her/it/them/him?

1) boo fucking hoo, cry me a river. you forced an enjoyable player to replace out
2) yes cus she was transparently town and you are pushign her as sk.
-wanna see another game where this shit happened?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59268
PM was pushed as sk so far that when she fucking broke garmr still didnt believe it. I have talk with mollie for days about that game scince then. so really dont even start that kind of shit with SW.
3) tbh you instigated it further by geting very personal
4) how so, plz tell me more about this "sk" fabrication
5) you can you just wont get support

seriously your whining already tells me you are no PR of any sort and that if you even try to claim that shit i will not take it for one second

Still rolefishing? I never said or even suggested that I was a PR. I said I'm a Townie.

1. I did not force her to replace out. She is in the habit of doing this. ISO any of her games at the Twaff. See if you can find the find the game where I deleted my game after she said something personal about it.
2. She was very Town - for a while, then she started to "fade" for lack of better word. And the fading happened before her tragedy.
3. I didn't get personal. I got real. Two different things. And she went bonkers on me and on House as soon as we voted for her.
4. Not a fabrication. Her play is off. Her Towngame faded away. She went nuts after TWO votes. Go to the Twaff and check her Scum/Town games. If I didn't have these huge bites on my ass I'd point you to some games here.
5. I don't care if I get support or not. I'm sure that slot is Scum. My conscience is clear.

[House]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

Okay.

Policy lynching me is not fair. I did not lash out because there were a couple of votes on me, that was someone else.
Punish the player that started the shit, not the one that finished it.

Further, I am 99.99% sure that wolf/her slot is Scum/SK. Why should I not be allowed to vote for her/it/them/him?

Nobody gives a fuck about your vote. Where you crossed the line was your venomous bullshit and you need to go or we'll be doing this shit the entire game.

[Garmr]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

Okay.

1)Policy lynching me is not fair.
2)I did not lash out because there were a couple of votes on me, that was someone else.
3)Punish the player that started the shit, not the one that finished it.

4)Further, I am 99.99% sure that wolf/her slot is Scum/SK.
5)Why should I not be allowed to vote for her/it/them/him?

1) boo fucking hoo, cry me a river. you forced an enjoyable player to replace out
2) yes cus she was transparently town and you are pushign her as sk.
-wanna see another game where this shit happened?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=59268
PM was pushed as sk so far that when she fucking broke garmr still didnt believe it. I have talk with mollie for days about that game scince then. so really dont even start that kind of shit with SW.
3) tbh you instigated it further by geting very personal
4) how so, plz tell me more about this "sk" fabrication
5) you can you just wont get support

seriously your whining already tells me you are no PR of any sort and that if you even try to claim that shit i will not take it for one second

Back and just one to note the case with pirate mollie was different than this one. I didn't attack her personally it was her attacking me. I actually believed she was scum and posted in game reasons only and did not attack her character. Only after she put me through a ton of verbal abuse did i push her over the edge and shattered her into a thousand pieces that she quit.

[Klingoncelt]

Nobody gives a fuck about your vote. Where you crossed the line was your venomous bullshit and you need to go or we'll be doing this shit the entire game.

No

we

won't. I have no problem with the other players or the game.

[Garmr]

Why flubber is scum


His posted a lot of nothing. This is a normal flubber trait but it's this post were I start to develop my read.

Is anybody following nik vs. garmr right now because I really can't right now.

I also want to note that I stalled a discussion that almost got me pegged as scum once by responding to each line of someone's post by numbering/outlining it. If you're attacking the lines of a post you're probably not actually attacking the post itself.

Also he was acting like nik was town before then he posts this bit what's up with that.

He seems to be trying to draw focus on me and nik but he isn't taking a stance on any

Is anybody following nik vs. garmr right now because I really can't right now.

Nice "information" but do you draw any conclusions from it? If not, why mention it?

To see if anyone can relate to the struggle I'm having with it and bring out my opinion that the format of the discussion is anti-town.

I skimmed a double ISO, did not stop to take notes. I find it odd that a high percentage of Garmr posts are either about Nik or replies to him. The percentage is lower for Nik posts about/to Garmr. It's also interesting that the context of a lot of the discussion is a 3rd party. I don't think it generated much in the way of solid reads, or advanced game state much. It puts both of them on the scum side of null.

What do you think about the motivation for the conversation? Setting aside the content which is difficult to follow, does one or both look scummy on motivation?

Because I've used to same tactic as scum to stall a case on me, I'm personally biased to say that's what's happening here but have no actual context to apply that assumption to.

Nothing pings me as scum on garmr and the best read I have on nikanor right now is "would wagon."

This implies he finds nik null now but before she was town.

Nikanor can be town for his observation on wake even though I disagree with it being scummy. From my experience wake's posts are just fluffy and I do admit to not always reading the longer ones

It's a weird interaction and I'm assuming his preparing for a bus in the future if he has to.

[Klingoncelt]

Why flubber is scum


His posted a lot of nothing. This is a normal flubber trait but it's this post were I start to develop my read.

Is anybody following nik vs. garmr right now because I really can't right now.

I also want to note that I stalled a discussion that almost got me pegged as scum once by responding to each line of someone's post by numbering/outlining it. If you're attacking the lines of a post you're probably not actually attacking the post itself.

Also he was acting like nik was town before then he posts this bit what's up with that.

He seems to be trying to draw focus on me and nik but he isn't taking a stance on any

Is anybody following nik vs. garmr right now because I really can't right now.

Nice "information" but do you draw any conclusions from it? If not, why mention it?

To see if anyone can relate to the struggle I'm having with it and bring out my opinion that the format of the discussion is anti-town.

I skimmed a double ISO, did not stop to take notes. I find it odd that a high percentage of Garmr posts are either about Nik or replies to him. The percentage is lower for Nik posts about/to Garmr. It's also interesting that the context of a lot of the discussion is a 3rd party. I don't think it generated much in the way of solid reads, or advanced game state much. It puts both of them on the scum side of null.

What do you think about the motivation for the conversation? Setting aside the content which is difficult to follow, does one or both look scummy on motivation?

Because I've used to same tactic as scum to stall a case on me, I'm personally biased to say that's what's happening here but have no actual context to apply that assumption to.

Nothing pings me as scum on garmr and the best read I have on nikanor right now is "would wagon."

This implies he finds nik null now but before she was town.

Nikanor can be town for his observation on wake even though I disagree with it being scummy. From my experience wake's posts are just fluffy and I do admit to not always reading the longer ones

It's a weird interaction and I'm assuming his preparing for a bus in the future if he has to.

Hmmm...

[Garmr]

Nik

First was that she placed a serious vote comming out the rvs with out listing the reasoning and only after she was pushed did she list it.

The fact she was shooting of reads with out having the ability to explain them

liking House, texcat for town.
Wake, elusive, dragonspawn look scummy. elusive less so than the others, just one post is pinging me, where she got her back up over the sauron joke.
all my reads are conflicting though. like, probably only one of garmr/wake and one of dragon/elusive are scum. but i'm scumreading all four. it sucks.
whine whine whine

i also just skimmed five pages so my reads are prob shit

and in the end comes up with this lame bs

dw, my inscrutability means i'm town. i have reasons for all my reads, i just choose not to share most of them bc they'd sound like bs.

You got to be fucking kidding me lets just skip ahead to when she did answer

texcat seems relaxed in the face of questioning.

I don't know why I bothered she obviously doesn't have a real one.

Is anybody following nik vs. garmr right now because I really can't right now.

I also want to note that I stalled a discussion that almost got me pegged as scum once by responding to each line of someone's post by numbering/outlining it. If you're attacking the lines of a post you're probably not actually attacking the post itself.

garmr is really good at saying "i fundamentally disagree with the way you play mafia and i think you're scum for it" in incredibly circuitous ways.
me breaking it down into lines is the only way to show people that he's full of shit.

I don't know why she posted this and in every point she just avoided my answers.

egg, how many of garmr's posts have you read, and which ones do you think are townish?

Ok this bit is fine but

Egg, thanks for the Garmr iso but I have no idea how you took the exact opposite thing that I did from each of his posts.
dragon's posting is getting worse and worse. ik nobody is gonna lynch garmr with me today but it's getting tougher and tougher to decide whether i wanna change over to ika, davesaz or dragonspawn.

Basically in this post she like fuck I can't get lynch garmr and this rate I'm going to be lynched instead lets throw some names out their and see if I can get a wagon.

Vote: dragonspawn.

another blank vote and i experimented this time I wanted to see if no one pushed her on it if she would actually try to push the person she was voting for.

Egg, thanks for the Garmr iso but I have no idea how you took the exact opposite thing that I did from each of his posts.
dragon's posting is getting worse and worse. ik nobody is gonna lynch garmr with me today but it's getting tougher and tougher to decide whether i wanna change over to ika, davesaz or dragonspawn.

How am I getting worse? Does me asking questions make you uncomfortable? If so. Why?

your questions are generally either useless or framed to make people look bad (like the above). i can find a couple of bad statements too, for example your accusation against T S O that he did nothing that page, and you asking why people are townreading Egg because you've never played with him.

This is like the fucking only post and it's just belittling him. No reasoning why his scum no explaining the scum motivation she's just trying to keep low and hope no one throws a noose around her neck.

Why is texcat town?

i have texcat as null-scum for her ika vote, i wouldn't wanna lynch her today though, the cat avatar would make me feel too guilty.

Now she has tex cat as null-scum for voting someone. She tried so hard to keep from saying a reason on tex cat and provided a pathetic reason why tex cat was town. But now she's like nah she's null scum. Niks just throwing reads out she has no real reasoning for them.

meh, silver was always probtown.
house too.
ika why do you think that klingon cannot be mafia?

631

also her defense of "you know how i play as sk" (hint for kling: that was MM not sk) is eerily similar. where she just kinda talks about random stuff and doesnt really solve the game

if 631 excludes her from being mafia then it should exclude her from being sk as well, since the first setup she suggests does not include an sk. do you disagree?

thats besides the point? im not judging her on "well heres the setups that can happen"

im basing it on how she went about the sk. i dont really get your angle

if anything i think she's more likely to be using the "well i'm not

this

type of scum" defense, where she knows you're wrong about her being sk so tries her best to disprove that one thought.
although she could just as easily be town doing the same thing.
i dislike her vote on SW but otherwise have no problem with her, she actually is the only one agreeing with me on garmr afaict so i can't very well vote my only friend

She's just gave a point as to why she could be scum but then is like well she could be also town (add bs reason) oh also because she doesn't like garmr.

[Shiro]

@elusive but it is just two gif D: Thought true I haven't done anything substantial in the game

As for everything that happened the last few pages I don't really feel any of the two as lying tbh and lynching Kc just for the drama that happened is unreasonable. I kind of get where some people come from but I really think at least 1 person in her wagon is scum jumping on an easy choice hiding it behind policy lynch for the drama.

It is a real shame though I wanted to play with SW a full game after that newbie I replaced in shame :/

[Garmr]

LOL

[elusive]

Shiro, I use GIFs a lot actually although I'm trying to cut down but usually still with content. You can do both.

SW said she is not replacing from what I understand, she is on VLA. I'm going to say a huge FU to policy lynching. {FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF}

Also let's not just blame Klingon for that interaction, House was in there too. Next, while I can be sympathetic to people having emotional reactions at the end of the day if you are too sensitive to people pressuring you then this isn't ballet where we tiptoe around each other. It's mafia where lying, manipulation are scum tactics and pressuring into oblivion and getting reactions aka manipulation are town tactics. So yeah.

Maybe klingoncelt tomorrow, but not today. There are better people to go after.

[elusive]

Also klingoncelt, give your thoughts\reads on all the players so far please. Leave SW out of it.

[Garmr]

Ok is there anyone on the wagon who doesn't think kilng is scum but doing it for a policy?

[Garmr]

Just checked everyone voting her. Everyone has presented/or sheeped reason to think she is scum sk/mafia why was this called a policy lynch?

[Shiro]

Just checked everyone voting her. Everyone has presented/or sheeped reason to think she is scum sk/mafia why was this called a policy lynch?

What reason other than not seeing how town SW was is there? DId I miss anything?

Do you really agree there is enough stuff to make KC look like scum over other people?

[House]

Just checked everyone voting her. Everyone has presented/or sheeped reason to think she is scum sk/mafia why was this called a policy lynch?

What reason other than not seeing how town SW was is there? DId I miss anything?

Do you really agree there is enough stuff to make KC look like scum over other people?

Of course there is. Inciting unrest is scum as shit, and all this drama has scum motivation all over it.

[Shiro]

Just checked everyone voting her. Everyone has presented/or sheeped reason to think she is scum sk/mafia why was this called a policy lynch?

What reason other than not seeing how town SW was is there? DId I miss anything?

Do you really agree there is enough stuff to make KC look like scum over other people?

Of course there is. Inciting unrest is scum as shit, and all this drama has scum motivation all over it.

How she become the center of attention while she could have dropped it and diffused the situation and suspicions.

You forger that you instigated this house