Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

[evilpacman18]

Ari, if many people are saying someone is scum but nobody is voting, it's often a sign that there is town consensus without help from scum trying to push a potential mislynch.

[SilverWolf]

Yeah, Ari is scum.

[evilpacman18]

I don't see it but based on Nickname I wouldn't be sad if that lynch went through anyway without my support

[pisskop]

sigh.

Nobodys on VDA, and Giffie isnt budging.

unvote
vote: Ari

[Prolapsed Brain]

Also, I can imagine it would be exhausting keeping up the ruse as first time scum

Nice afterthought. I "like" how you can't resist constantly insinuating that I'm scum in lieu of actually having a case against me ...

You'll feel much better if you just admit your scumminess and self-hammer.

I haven't read since page 9, can someone tell me what I missed?

A LOT. You should vote, preferably me, SilverFox, or Gliffie.

You really suck right now.

I do indeed suck; I also swallow, but that's not important right now.





Silver: I read somewhere that you freak out if someone votes you. I was testing that. I was lied to, apparently.

[evilpacman18]

Vote bji

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, Ari is scum.

What was it that solidified this for you?

P.Brian,
Why do you think yourself, Silverwolf, or Gliffie are the best votes for VDA to make right now?
In fact, why include yourself in that list? Do you think you should be lynched and why??

I'm legit curious what made everyone totally okay with my lynch based on that last post I made...
I mean, I know it wasn't great, but I'm a busy guy.

If I am the lynch, so be it. But I argue that I am town with not enough time to have a great D1 countercase.

Also, the vote on P.Brian is not intended as my final message. I will Iso him, those asked by others for me to clear uo my read on, and time forgiving, everyone else in this game. I'm merely busy on weekends and can't do so until Sunday.
If you kill me before then, so be it.

[bji]

OK so I re-read the entire thread, beginning to end. As you might imagine, my ability to focus dwindled a bit at the end so my reading of the first half to three quarters was alot more diligent than my reading of the last quarter. I even took notes about every post up to post 440 or so.

I came to a few conclusions:

1. The initial pisskop wagon was good and the consternation surrounding it was suspicious. Aero, me, and Johnny made strong arguments (well Aero mostly, with Johnny and me sheeping Aero's position). I don't think that pisskop represented himself well in that entire exchange and I felt like Aero was incredibly solid in, for example, posts 145 and post 334. However, I still conclude that pisskop is town from his work in this thread outside of that particular argument. I think pisskop vs. Aero was town v. town.

2. Aero/Gliffie is my favorite slot. I get the strongest town reads from both of these players.

3. My points against evilpacman18 were better than people gave me credit for. I did not defend myself well against West8 and Ari, but I think my points had merit. I do not think evilpacman18's post 208 was nearly as good as other people think it was. evilpacman18 remains a scum lean for me. I naturally don't like evilpacman18's recent tunneling on me either. It feels like he has sensed weakness in me and is going for the kill. But still could be town v. town.

4. SilverWolf over and over again did things that I didn't like. On first read and in real time I didn't see it as much but on re-read I saw alot more. I think VictorDeAngelo's points against SilverWolf early on were really good and SilverWolf never extricated herself from them despite trying to appear that she had. In particular, her discomfort with the early pisskop wagon, her self-contradictory voting of Lapsa, and her post 248 where the 4 players she picked for scum are the lurkiest and least likely to defend themselves. Also has been contradictory in dismissing my attempts propose scum association in Day 1 while herself doing similar things (noting VDA defending Lapsa).

5. There has been some hypocrisy with people telling me that being anti-town is not the same thing has being scummy, and yet using basically that same reasoning themslves (Ari for example recently basically said that we should lynch Prolapsed Brain if he continues to be so anti-town).

6. I think the case against Nickname was complete bunk, and didn't agree with Dooku on it at all. I find Ari to be more suspicious than Nickname ever was. But I am much less inclined to vote Ari than some others at this point in the game.

At this point, the person I find most suspicious is actually SilverWolf. Lesser suspicion on evilpacman18.

My reads are as of this point competely rebooted.

VOTE: SilverWolf

[Count Dooku]

Also, I totally thought %100 was some weird European thing until you corrected yourself XD

Europeans are totally cool people! We are not that weird!

[SilverWolf]

SilverWolf over and over again did things that I didn't like. On first read and in real time I didn't see it as much but on re-read I saw alot more. I think VictorDeAngelo's points against SilverWolf early on were really good and SilverWolf never extricated herself from them despite trying to appear that she had. In particular, her discomfort with the early pisskop wagon, her self-contradictory voting of Lapsa, and her post 248 where the 4 players she picked for scum are the lurkiest and least likely to defend themselves. Also has been contradictory in dismissing my attempts propose scum association in Day 1 while herself doing similar things (noting VDA defending Lapsa).

This case is fabricated and false and leads me to believe you are possible scum. I can sometimes tell when scum is fabricating a scumread against me and this is exactly what it looks like to me but I'll go ahead and address each point.

The Lapsa vote and my not liking the pisskop wagon were explained in detail and I did actually explain it to Victor as well 96, 105, 129 and you are going to have to point exactly what is scummy about that.

I never painted an association with Victor and Lapsa. I made a note of him defending Lapsa but when asked about it I specifically said I was not painting a partnership with them but making an observation only. Here's where I mention the defense of Lapsa 248 and here's where I said it was an observation only 258. You actually painted a partnership between myself and West here 408 which is not in the least at all what I was doing so that is just blatantly false.

The people I had as scumreads at the time were well explained and had reasoning behind them 248, 258, and I further elaborated on my nickname/Ari read here 368, 444, 472, 490, 498, 514 so why is it scummy exactly?

Why do feel so good about Aero/Gliffie in particular? Which points stand out to you the most?

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@aristophanes : what do you think about the latest bji vs silverwolf?

[SilverWolf]

Yeah, Ari is scum.

What was it that solidified this for you?

I'm legit curious what made everyone totally okay with my lynch based on that last post I made...
I mean, I know it wasn't great, but I'm a busy guy.

It's basically all the things I have already said plus your last 597 did not really look like town who is up for a lynch because:

-you vote for the easy alternative lynch, an anti-town player who is an easy target and you make it look like a PL

-your reads are not very concrete, they don't have to be super solid on D1 but they are very non-committal and much of your comments are not remembering or being sure of things

-I don't see a lot of pro-town type of wording in the post, for example: if I am lynched, look here for scum and I agree with these players because...........or maybe looking at your own wagon and telling us what you think of who is on it, or any number of other things.

Everything is just adding up for me to believe you are scum from the earlier things I pointed out to you, to these things.

[SilverWolf]

@aristophanes : what do you think about the latest bji vs silverwolf?

What is your opinion on it?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I haven't read since page 9, can someone tell me what I missed?

I'd say read from like 15.

Since this seems to be the only real suggestion, this is what I'll do.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Yeah, I'm seeing the Nickname wagon form and not liking one bit. Both Prolapsed Brain and West's votes seem opportunistic.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Also this game has too many walls in it for Day 1.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Yeah I just read 566, and I'm just put vote back on Wolf and leave it there, unless anyone can convince me of a better scum to lynch.

VOTE: Silverwolf

[Prolapsed Brain]

VOTE: SilverWolf

I think this is appropriate.

[Cheetory6]

Votecount 1.10

Aristophanes

[5] - SilverWolf, Count Dooku, West9, Gliffie, pisskop

SilverWolf

[3] - VictorDeAngelo, bji, Prolapsed Brain

Prolapsed Brain

[2] - JohnnyFarrar, Aristophanes

bji

[1] - evilpacman18

Not Voting

[2] - Lapsa, Tjoe Min Ja

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Wednesday, March 18, @ 10:00 AM EST, which is in (expired on 2015-03-18 10:00:00).

[Count Dooku]

I haven't read since page 9, can someone tell me what I missed?

I'd say read from like 15.

Since this seems to be the only real suggestion, this is what I'll do.

Because 'read everything' is not a real suggestion?
You should read everything. Everything is important... For instance you may point out things that we didn't notice. Although, if you are scum you don't want to help us...

[Count Dooku]

VOTE: SilverWolf

I think this is appropriate.

I think it is opportunistic.
I think you are scum.
If you get a Jester slot, play like this. They will lynch you.

[Prolapsed Brain]

Thank you! I cherish such direction of my play from a Master Scumhunter as yourself.

[pisskop]

It seems half the players are content to lurky like little lurky fish.

[SilverWolf]

Victor: What is scummy about 566? I like to scumhunt on my wagon. What is your issue with it?

P. Brain-your vote is extremely opportunistic because you've been hopping on every wagon you can find and not explaining your votes. You've been voting for me all game.

This game is becoming extremely frustrating.

[Count Dooku]

Thank you! I cherish such direction of my play from a Master Scumhunter as yourself.

You are welcome, my friend!