In post 8536, Imperium wrote:I have addressed your slot and asked you several questions, which in the midst of you guys' epic prod-dodging and just in general refusing to offer up why your opinion is more valid than other people's and acting like you guys are god, you keep ignoring.
In post 8551, Imperium wrote:Yu do have another head right? Who's supposed to be somewhat impressive and analytical, right?
In post 8193, Imperium wrote:In post 7378, Heartless wrote:There's a lot less skepticism in your neighborhood than I think should rationally exist.
In post 7383, Heartless wrote:It's not particularly synergistic nor is there a notable degree of interaction in the main thread.
It doesn't look like a town bloc, swim like a town bloc, or quack like a town bloc.
I'd also like to talk about this.
I asked you to tell me how much skepticism you think you should be seeing that you're not seeing. I don't know why you ignored that.
I'd also like to talk about the second point. Nacho did a good job of pointing out that this is incorrect, but I'm interested in talking to you about the impetus behind the claim.
Until falcon was modkilled there was plenty, and more than I'd have liked interaction between the two of us.
As for the others. Are you actually making a claim we, as a neighborhood, aren't interacting enough? You do realize that we are the only slot in the neighborhood not to have been replaced right? How much interaction did you suppose we should have done with bitmap when he portaled day one and lurked then got replaced day two? Or TD who lurked a lot then got replaced?
and considering we have a neighborhood where we can interact, I don't see why us not overly interacting inn the main thread would be an issue. How much in the main thread interaction have you or anyone really been doing in the main thread.
I also don't get the town block accusation. We never claimed to be a town block. I, in particular, don't advocate town blocks in the first place. You can town read someone and not be in a town block. Zelink and U.S. seem to be on the same page, but not exactly sure where espy stands as he's a bit behind.
Do you want is to have skepticism or do you want us to be a town block? And there are neighborhoods here who are claiming all town neighborhoods with a much higher degree than we are, and they're not town blocking, so some of this feels like kitchen sink for the sole purpose of making arguments against us but that don't really make a whole lot of sense when looked at in context.
You might not feel this way any more, and that's cool, but I still want you to explain where you were coming from because I'm trying like hell to get a read on you.
In post 7763, Imperium wrote:In post 6942, Heartless wrote:In post 6905, Magua wrote:Ankamius, TSO, theaceofspades, farside22, ooba, Heartless, TheWayItEnds, Andrius
i agree
i also agree w/ this order
the game will end before you reach farside
What happened to this view of the game?
In post 7204, Heartless wrote:looking more
my desire to lynch anyone not in the roman neighborhood is at exactly zero
I'd really appreciate you articulating why. I told you I'd like you to try to articulate why you'd wouldn't be surprised if we flipped scum, but I don't think you did.
In post 7292, Heartless wrote:I spent some time looking over Imperium and I don't have anything I'm able to articulate yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were scum.
In post 7378, Heartless wrote:There's a lot less skepticism in your neighborhood than I think should rationally exist.
What type of skepticism do you think there should be in our nieghborhood that you aren't seeing?
I have a really hard time accepting that both of the above quotes are actually true statements.
In post 7757, Imperium wrote:In post 7756, T S O wrote:Because when people like mastin were vouching for their neighbourhoods, they were saying things like "ZZZX is 99% town, so is Xombie. No lynching them. Ever." It was made clear that if you were going to vouch for your neighbourhood you needed some pretty cast-iron reasons for doing so.
Vezok may or may not have had a mild townread on me somehow. If he did, I still don't see town-him just casually telling everyone it was an all-town neighbourhood like he did. With a minor townread on me? I just can't believe he'd do that. He's not wildly impulsive like that.
This makes no sense at all. You're essentially saying because mastin overestimated his read early, someone who is notorious for overestimating reads and giving reads on people who haven't even posted yet, everyone who declares their reads has to have that same intensity.
I don't believe you believe that.
Your scum read on vezok sounds convenient.
I would like you to explain vezoks motivations in claiming to save his partner day two in the way he did. Note: I never believed he was the cause for the missing night kill night one, but the way in which he did it didn't sound to me like someone going oh hey partner I saved you wink wink.
Zelink brings up a good point when he points out that cephrir obviously role copped mask night one from the way he interacted with him day two. Therefore, the scum team would have known he was a modified doc. So is it your contention, that knowing the scum team planned to kill mask the next might, as is indicated by cephrir's role, that vezok decided to also claim a doc type role and have scrutiny brought upon himself due to multiple roles? Also note I absolutely believe iterations of similar roles exist, and heartless's? Point that he could be scum based on there already being a doc flip and so he's suspicious there is complete crap when taken in conjunction with the fact that theyve pointed out that two town roles with similar passives have already flipped. (If that wasn't heartless, sorry, I'm in the middle of several things and tried to quickly get caught up.)
One reason I don't buy the vezok is scum who claimed doc on his partner is because not very long ago in serum and steel, one of the reasons why falcon eventually got lynched was because he was a scum doc and vezok was the town doc and people didn't think two of the same role could exist on the same side. I have a hard time believing that vezok!scum claimed doc knowing that a) mask was a modified doc, b) he was not the reason for the missing night kill and knew it, c) claimed to save his partner - quite frankly I don't imagine vezok is that ballsy as scum, and d) opened himself up for a counter claim knowing it would end up getting him in the process. I don't see the reward there at all.
In post 8521, ooba wrote:Ace is a bad lynch for two reasons:
a) First, both Pere's "Less posts than me etc." jump and Cephs "That's 8" jumps didn't feel like buses. They were more than ready to lynch Ace.
b) Second, Ceph mentions Ace twice in his 'To shoot' lists.
In post 3597, Cephrir wrote:ace and peregrine are both good shots. beast, td and skybird are also acceptable.
Especially the first one. I hardly think Ceph would have given a list of two scum buddies leading the list to MS-vig.
In post 8560, ZeL1nK2 wrote:Because it looks like you're asserting it as astatement of factwith no real backing.
In post 8561, ooba wrote:In post 8560, ZeL1nK2 wrote:I don't see Ceph going "Here shoot scumbuddy A or scumbuddy B. Also, three more additional names".
I'm not suggesting PV was a bluff. PV was there so that if he was shot, Ceph's ISO looks better. Do not see him consistently recommending ace scum buddy like that.
Also, noticed that you didn't talk much about the stronger points of both scum jumping onto the wagon. In what doesn't appear to look like buses. (Again personal opinion - but this is what the game is about - look at interactions and take a call)
In post 8561, ooba wrote:Do you have anything so far from the flipped scum that supports assertions that ace is scum?
In post 2876, vezokpiraka wrote:Ceph: thank me later.
vote ms
It's good that you're back. Time to die.
In post 8569, mastin2 wrote:Here.
Have read up to date.
Have...literally nothing to add.
That's a very bad thing, yaknow.
In post 8568, ooba wrote:Either way, F-16 started off suspicion on Ceph yet again and Vezok defends Ceph with the 'He was the kill'.
In post 8568, ooba wrote:You’re a doctor who just think you’ve saved Ceph from a scum kill. Why the need to breadcrumb that info “Ceph: thank me later.” in your first post of the day and reveal that you’re the doc to any scum?
In post 8568, ooba wrote:This is unrelated but Vezok's been on EVERY SINGLE WAGON - including my own.
In post 2961, farside22 wrote:Vezo:
Please explain the town read of ms to calling him scum with cephrir to voting him today.
In post 582, vezokpiraka wrote:Vezok wagon best wagon.
Now seriously. Metal sonic is town. House and TSO are town also.
I still have no idea what's up with beast.
In post 1269, vezokpiraka wrote:Ceph, don't tell me you're scum with Ms.
In post 2876, vezokpiraka wrote:Ceph: thank me later.
vote ms
It's good that you're back. Time to die.
I see nothing in you ISO that explains the change of reads.
In post 3000, vezokpiraka wrote:Let's get to answering questions.
I had a town read on the beginning on ms because his entry was townish. After that it dwindled and I expressed that in my neighbourhood. It slowly dwindled to a major scum read.
The post related to Cephrir was nearly immediately after he replaced it and it was a slight associative tell. I wasn't scumreading cephrir just pointing out that something felt off. In the mean time Cephrir became an obv town read for me.
He also claimed a powerful role so that's why I protected him.
Also why the fuck wouldn't you think that a very strong player with a role he claimed was good isn't a possible night kill target? Do you kill lurkers as scum?
We should claim neighbourhoods. I'm tired of everyone asking around who was in a neighbourhood with whom.
BTW Bitmap is most probably Odin for anyone that didn't figure it out.
In post 3008, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 3000, vezokpiraka wrote:I had a town read on the beginning on ms because his entry was townish. After that it dwindled and I expressed that in my neighbourhood. It slowly dwindled to a major scum read.
how can it slowly dwindle to a major scumread if i was being kidnapped by Bitmap?
it sounds like the laziest and lamest read ever