NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[Shinobi]

Jbomber732 is being replaced.

[Rubicon]

I'll try not to read into that too much.

[Ricastle]

Well it certainly doesn't inspire me to change my vote, that's for sure.

[Grib]

Poor replacement guy.

[Garmr]

and cannot gramr speak for himself? does he communicate so poorly that you need to step in and speak for him?

My question relates to reading you by determining your motive. What did you find questionable in Garmr's post?

I found that post to be excuse making personally. His behavior does not match my prior experience. Both in terms of the passive aggressive discrediting and the "oh, I don't communicate clearly" comment. So, when I see things that seem inconstent to me or draw my attention, I tend to poke at it.

So he got an eye roll and then he made a passive aggressive discredit shot in response... it deserves further sorting out and thus the engagement...

What's my scum motive then since you obviously can't tell me. Because I'm acting different to every game town or scum is not a good excuse.

I'm starting to feel there is a reason no one listens to you (and yes that is a stab at your recent events and you complaining no listens to you.)

then looking at this further, he admits to making a discredit but then does so with a misrep... which his answer to an accusation on an alleged misrep of someone else was "I don't communicate clearly."

Because what your pushing me on is a joke and then you try to change it around at the last second to be something else (the thing I said before it). Your trying to push ill intention when there is none. Also you cry I'm misrepping you when you did fucking say people aren't listing to you. You can play victim elsewhere.

[Garmr]

Garmr's desire for me to focus on him and his hijacking of almost any conversation he is part of (earlier he made everything about Grib and now its all about me) is concerning.

eh, that part is actually what gramr does... no concern there

And I swear it catches scum out a lot.

[PeaceBringer]

looking at this further, he admits to making a discredit but then does so with a misrep... which his answer to an accusation on an alleged misrep of someone else was "I don't communicate clearly."Because what your pushing me on is a joke and then you try to change it around at the last second to be something else (the thing I said before it). Your trying to push ill intention when there is none. Also you cry I'm misrepping you when you did fucking say people aren't listing to you. You can play victim elsewhere.

I am trying to sort you out and pointing out your inconsistencies. If I were calling you scum you would know it. I am not crying victim, that is your perception. I did not cry misrep, I state it out right. So I am trying to figure out if this is just you or something else behind your behavior and so I keep picking away. If you put on greater meaning on my words that what is said and intended that is on you. I said nothing about "Ill intention" I haven't voted you. I have challenged what you said and pointed your behavior back to you. You are engaging in misrepresentation and it may be a simple matter of what you are "Reading in" to what is said like you are demonstrating here. You also are the one who chose to draw my attention to you with the discrediting engagement. I don't know your motive for it as the behavior is null.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Jbomber

[PeaceBringer]

vote:Jbomber

a vote count would help here...

[PointYBagelS]

vote:Jbomber

a vote count would help here...

Assuming I didn't discount. Jbomber's slot is at L-3.

[PointYBagelS]

miscount*

[Garmr]

looking at this further, he admits to making a discredit but then does so with a misrep... which his answer to an accusation on an alleged misrep of someone else was "I don't communicate clearly."Because what your pushing me on is a joke and then you try to change it around at the last second to be something else (the thing I said before it). Your trying to push ill intention when there is none. Also you cry I'm misrepping you when you did fucking say people aren't listing to you. You can play victim elsewhere.

I am trying to sort you out and pointing out your inconsistencies. If I were calling you scum you would know it. I am not crying victim, that is your perception. I did not cry misrep, I state it out right. So I am trying to figure out if this is just you or something else behind your behavior and so I keep picking away. If you put on greater meaning on my words that what is said and intended that is on you. I said nothing about "Ill intention" I haven't voted you. I have challenged what you said and pointed your behavior back to you. You are engaging in misrepresentation and it may be a simple matter of what you are "Reading in" to what is said like you are demonstrating here. You also are the one who chose to draw my attention to you with the discrediting engagement. I don't know your motive for it as the behavior is null.

I don't understand what your on about now. If you didn't have a scum read on me couldn't you of just waited till my argument with elusive had resolved because now you ruined the tempo. It's rude peace don't you understand site courtesy.

@note to self I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon.

[Nero Cain]

@note to self I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon.

Why do you think jbomber is getting wagoned? Do you think this is valid reasoning? If not, Why did you say "I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon."?

[Garmr]

@note to self I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon.

Why do you think jbomber is getting wagoned? Do you think this is valid reasoning? If not, Why did you say "I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon."?

Looking back J bomber is afk. I think he is being wagoned for being afk as no real case was even presented. Why he was picked out for being afk over other people puzzles me but his response by replacing out was also quite bad. No one really has valid reason to jump on it so I could see at least one person jumping on him to bus if he is scum.

[Garmr]

I'd say it's 60/40 his scum. I still have a little bit of doubt. What do you make of the wagon.

[PointYBagelS]

@note to self I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon.

Why do you think jbomber is getting wagoned? Do you think this is valid reasoning? If not, Why did you say "I don't know what to make of a jbomber wagon."?

Looking back J bomber is afk. I think he is being wagoned for being afk as no real case was even presented. Why he was picked out for being afk over other people puzzles me but his response by replacing out was also quite bad. No one really has valid reason to jump on it so I could see at least one person jumping on him to bus if he is scum.

The fact that he was AFK wasn't the really incriminating thing though. It was the fact that he admitted to withholding a vote because it might make him look suspicious, then said he bases his game on honesty. Sure he told the truth about withholding a vote but the fact that he did it at all shows a level of over-carefulness that doesn't suggest town. The fact that he went afk (and then replaced out) as soon as suspicion built up is just icing on the cake. Certainly it's a major factor in why he's being voted now, but it's not the original reason he was singled out.

[Nero Cain]

^
Hates you for stealing that from me. Also feels kinda strange that Garmr has him as a scumread but is dismissive of the wagon.

[Garmr]

^
Hates you for stealing that from me. Also feels kinda strange that Garmr has him as a scumread but is dismissive of the wagon.

Being uncertain about a wagon and formulating a opinion after being questioned on it is a scum trait how. I didn't understand the original reason for the jbomb votes.

[Nero Cain]

ok

formulating a opinion after being questioned on it

What made you lean scum on him?

[Klingoncelt]

I'm V/LA until Monday, my furnace is out and there are other problems in the house.

I'm reluctant to go in on the wagon, I'd rather have someone in that slot that can claim.

[Garmr]

ok

formulating a opinion after being questioned on it

What made you lean scum on him?

The way he replaced and how the wagon suddenly appeared after me pushing elusive for a long time. I feel scum might have day talk.

[Garmr]

It would explain peaces timing to push me when me and elusive where in debate as well.

[PointYBagelS]

ok

formulating a opinion after being questioned on it

What made you lean scum on him?

The way he replaced and how the wagon suddenly appeared after me pushing elusive for a long time. I feel scum might have day talk.

Setup speculation gets us nowhere. And to be honest it makes you look scummy.

It's pretty clear that most of the wagon was already suspicious of jbomber. And multiple people on the previous page discussed the possibility of doing it before it happened. The fact that there was no primary wagon before that just made it easier for everyone to switch.

[Nero Cain]

So he replaces out, people are upset and the wagon continues on him. You then light push against his wagon and when questioned about it you are all like "yeah his replace out was scummy".

If you feel like his replace out is scummy why were you questioning the wagon?

Also I feel like you pushing on Elusive means shit all.

[PeaceBringer]

It would explain peaces timing to push me when me and elusive where in debate as well.

lol... I have nothing to do with "elusive" other than observing your behavior and pushing you. Whoever the exchanges were mean nothing to me...