Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Quilford]

I don't particularly like the way Espy switches from talking directly to people to talking in general at everyone here.

Why don't you like it?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't particularly like the way Espy switches from talking directly to people to talking in general at everyone here.

Why don't you like it?

Gives off an air of "Can you guys believe this?"

Like he's looking for support to see if he can start pushing that person.

[Quilford]

Given that Mina had just accused BPC of 'posting a lot like scum', what more support do you envision ETL needing as scum before beginning to push BPC?

[JohnnyFarrar]

One of those fancy votes I've been hearing about would have probably helped

[JohnnyFarrar]

Next five pages

Enter Patrick. He's a wet blanket. Hooray. His Alch attack looks bad to me, but that could just be coming from my knowledge that he's town.

Alch is broadcasting newbtells on all wavelengths and people are attacking him for it -_- his response to quil was really good too -_- HINDSIGHT

Mina gets kudos for actually looking up Alch's GTKAS, and also continued hunting throughout these pages. Not really alignment indicative, but I'd rather she continued living. Though the weird condescension here makes me think he was a little too willing to lynch a person who was clearly not all the way good at Mafia yet. Meh. I could be convinced to vote Mina.

BB with the same defense I would make. Does right mean town? Then makes a terrible argument. Does wrong mean scum? Basically my problem with this whole minimalistic "vote who I think is right and be difficult about everything else" playstyle is that it makes it really hard for me to think of you as anything but scum when you're so wrong. Hopefully you pick it up in the future.

I can't think of Quil as anything but town thanks to Mina's convincing.

This game is looking fun

[Mina]

Patrick, why are you the only person on your team who's not posting during the meet? Also, how different is your town and scum play?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Almost hallway there ;-;

(I should probably figure out what all this token nonsense is, and just read the TM rules in general)
Also the general "my scumreads are just PoE because everyone's SO TOWNY" is scary to me right now. Also the use of sheeping as a dirty word and the use of the word misrep at all makes me upset. Sheeping is fine and only bad players misrep.

BPC's unhappiness with Mina's townread on my slot seems weird to me, given that BPC wasn't particularly advocating for my scuminess. Simple disdain for others' townreads reads as scum to me.

BB said this and I dunno what it means.

Quil seems uncharacteristically hostilehere and I don't know what to think about it. Then he just flies off the deep end? What is happening?

Espy says (don't worry guys this absence has been site wide) and that irks me. Also makes it clear he's doing ISOs in alphabetical order. If small scumreads keep piling up I'm going to vote him just for the pleasure of not dealing with him in a potential lylo situation.

Cutting this short at page 14 because phone is dying. Bbl.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

is espy me...?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Espy says (don't worry guys this absence has been site wide) and that irks me. Also makes it clear he's doing ISOs in alphabetical order. If small scumreads keep piling up I'm going to vote him just for the pleasure of not dealing with him in a potential lylo situation.

this whole thing is fuckin terrible yo

first of all... what exactly irks you about having a site-wide absence that can be verified? is it the fact that it's not something you can pin on me to push a mislynch?

second, ISOs in alphabetical order... are scummy... how...? that's how people are fucking listed in the drop down box. it's how i've done it for years. suddenly it's a scum point? man.. scraping the bottom of the barrel here, aren't you?

third.... justifying a scum read on "i dont want them in lylo" is as shitty a cop out as it gets.

VOTE: johnnywhatever

[EspeciallyTheLies]

tinfoil hat theory: it's johnny and mina yall

[EspeciallyTheLies]

also, all that and no vote?

show me the money tough guy

[JohnnyFarrar]

Baby those reads stopped on page 14. You want me to vote on 20 page old information?

Anyways, both of those tells represent and defensiveness and cautiousness that didn't make sense from you at the time, as you had few people casting more that a sideways glance you. That sort of casual defensiveness combined with the reaction I just got (read: I called the reads small in the very passage you quoted) has me feeling right on the money now.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

lol


k

[Mina]

...yep, we are completely fucked.

JohnnyFarrar, there are more questions I'm waiting until you finish your catch-up to ask you, but can you explain the dichotomy between "I'm having a hard time seeing Quil as town thanks to Mina" and "Meh, I could be persuaded to vote Mina"? FTR, my dig at Alchemist was because at the time, I thought he was scum, not a bad player--his asking me about Quilford read to me as self-preservationist "Fuck, I need a town counterwagon to save myself. Can I wheedle you onto this one?"

ETL, can you explain how you went from "I almost put serrapaladin in my towniest town tier" to "I'm not town-reading serrapaladin" to voting his slot? Even if you'd apparently hydra'd with him and known he was lurky, shouldn't that make him at best null or weakly town and not probtown? And if your read was that strong, I don't get why you reversed it now. Also, is your only objection to JF's catch-ups his comment on you?

(I've started skimming old BPC ISOs. Given my extremely limited sample size so far, if there's an alignment-relevant pattern beyond "his tone always sounds scummy to me!", I haven't seen it yet, although I haven't got to the part of his scum games where he's supposed to start lurking.)

[Mina]

Quilford, has your team contributed any thoughts this game beyond Reck saying BBmolla is obvtown?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Confession! I started playing Monster Hunter on the train home and literally didn't stop until just now. My bad.

can you explain the dichotomy between "I'm having a hard time seeing Quil as town thanks to Mina" and "Meh, I could be persuaded to vote Mina"?

A) Should read "I'm having a hard time seeing Quil as

anything but

town," you made me go back to see if I made a typo.

B) Right =/= Town, Wrong =/= Scum. It was what I was coyly poking at when talking about why I didn't like BB.

FTR, my dig at Alchemist was because at the time, I thought he was scum, not a bad player--his asking me about Quilford read to me as self-preservationist "Fuck, I need a town counterwagon to save myself. Can I wheedle you onto this one?"

If you are town, this hurts. Quil would have been such a shitty choice for that.

[Quilford]

Quilford, has your team contributed any thoughts this game beyond Reck saying BBmolla is obvtown?

No haha we are so lazy

I think I'm the most contributory of us 4, and that's not saying much

[JohnnyFarrar]

Starting at page 15

By the way, can people let me know if I'm spamming too much or walling too much? I'm aware that this is somewhat content-dense for a nine-player game, and I don't want to make this too hard to catch up on.

Honey it's too late.

Patrick's dive into Alch's meta would look good if he had anything to show for it. AND THEN ALCH CORRECTED HIM ON SCUM META JESUS CHRIST WHY DID YOU GUYS *from this point on I will no longer be commenting on how I didn't think Alch was a good lynch unless I find something scummy* His series of posts on 17 read as genuine to me.

Quil's Mina towncase looks like "I agree with him so he's town" which is pretty arrogant.

Espy comes in with a Patrick vote that I actually don't mind.

HOLY SHIT TIRED GOING TO BED REMEMBER PAGE 19

[zoraster]

Day 2

JohnnyFarrar ( 2 )

Mina

EspeciallyTheLies

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(L - 2 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

Not Voting ( 5 )

Patrick BBMolla JohnnyFarrar Quilford BipolarChemist

Total Votes ( 7 )

Needed to Lynch [ 4 ]

Deadline: April 26th at 20:00 EDT
(expired on 2015-04-26 20:00:00)

BPC has been prodded

[Mina]

This is depressing.

Quilford, has your team contributed any thoughts this game beyond Reck saying BBmolla is obvtown?

No haha we are so lazy

I think I'm the most contributory of us 4, and that's not saying much

They aren't reading the game, but then Reck popped in and said that BBmolla was town and nothing else? When was this?

ETL, while you're at it, what happened to pretty much all your reads from yesterday?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

they got fucked up.

[Mina]

And can you answer the first thing I asked you?

[Mina]

Also, can you explain how did they get so fucked up by an Alchemist town flip?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

And can you answer the first thing I asked you?

which was what

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Also, can you explain how did they get so fucked up by an Alchemist town flip?

not so much the flip but the way the day ended and then the extremely long night phase. i didn't like quil's behavior at the end of the day at all. it was really reminiscent of titus running distraction at the end of D1 in Street Racers. but also the fact that serra completely disappeared. like, i get v/la and whatever, but he was around and he could have said something but he said nothing. followed by his replacemtn sounding super forced and weird, and coming up with nonsense to push me.