Mini 1652: Sweet Dreams - Game Over!

[bji]

Oh there's no doubt about it, you replaced into an extremely difficult situation. You're not going to like this, but I don't understand how SW thought it was OK to replace out there. Is there any honor in running from battle? All she was going to do was to put someone who replaced her into an even worse situation that she was in. I don't get how that's OK.

You don't have a fucking clue why I replaced out. You just ran your mouth off about something you know nothing about and questioned my integrity yet again and continue to make false assumptions.

You can just fuck right off with your judgemental BS.

Well I don't mind you explaining it if you like.

OK, I see you did a few posts above.

Nobody will ever convince me that there are topics that are too taboo to talk about, though.

[SilverWolf]

SW, calm down. People have a right to inquire as to whether or not your sub out was genuine as it is a major rule break to sub out for tactical advantage.

No, it wasn't an inquiry. It was an assumption that I made an unethical move that I would never do. I don't appreciate that at all.

[West9]

POTG: Player of the game.

Cheet, here's something that I'm curious to get your opinion on:

I'm not sure how much of my recent sub-par play/lynchability is due to something changing with my playstyle and how much is just adapting pains that will go away as I get used to MS meta and two-week deadlines.

[pisskop]

@ bji
I'm either scum, really intuitive town, or I get lynched D1

@Titus

meh.

@CO

I was sure you would have killed West to let VDA sink into me.

[Cheetory6]

I'll take a look into it tomorrow when I feel like I'm going to hate the idea of studying @West.
**Right now I've got bji, Titus and West as wanting postgame thoughts.

[West9]

I think CO made the calculation that you would sink into me faster than VDA would sink into you.

[West9]

@cheet feel free to skype that shit to me.

[SilverWolf]

SW likely had a breakdown regarding this game. Sometimes its not about winning or losing, but just surviving emotionally. SW gets particularly invested in games, regardless of alignment. She does hate scum, but does not replace out solely because of alignment. I was actually offended that some of you suggested she would replace out for tactical advantage because I like her and I spent a lot of time ICing her at another site. I never drew scum with her though.

I never replace out due to alignment and especially not for any sort of tactical advantage. I've got several completed scumgames here that say otherwise. And I was upset about a lot more than just this game. I don't hate scum either. That's another narrative running around that isn't true.

Thank you for replacing in for me Titus. Thank you for your understanding Cheetory.

I honestly wasn't expecting scum to win this.

GG Chaos

[West9]

lol hey I do say "feel free to" a lot, don't i

[Cheetory6]

@West, Sure.
If anyone has any thoughts on the setup I wouldn't mind some feedback on that as well.
Here are the PMs:

Spoiler: PMs

Vanilla Townie

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Good Dream

Welcome to the game, Cheetory6! You are a Vanilla Townie, aligned with the town. Please confirm your role by replying to this PM.

Abilities

You have no special abilities.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Town Neighborizer

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Sleep Talking Dream

Welcome to the game, Cheetory6! You are a Neighborizer, aligned with the town. Please confirm your role by replying to this PM.

Abilities

Every night you'll have the option to try and recruit one person into your neighborhood. Neighborhood is linked here:

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Town Jailer

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Recurring Dream

Welcome to the game, Cheetory6! You are a Jailer, aligned with the town. Please confirm your role by replying to this PM.

Abilities

Every night you can choose one player to jail, protecting them from being killed and preventing them from making use of any night actions. You may not target the same player two nights in a row.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Town 1-Shot Vigilante

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Falling Dream

Welcome to the game, Cheetory6! You are a 1-Shot Vigilante, aligned with the town. Please confirm your role by replying to this PM.

Abilities

During the night, you may give the name of another player in the game to the mod and that player will be killed at the end of the cycle.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Informed Townie

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Lucid Dream

Welcome to the game, Cheetory6! You are an Informed Townie, aligned with the town. Please confirm your role by replying to this PM.

Abilities

You know for a fact that there are no investigative roles in the game.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Mafia Goon

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Nightmare

Welcome to the game, Cheetory6! You are a Goon, aligned with the mafia. Your teammates are _____ and _____. Please confirm your role by replying to this PM.

Abilities

You have no special abilities.
Scumchat is linked here:

Win Condition

You win when town has no method by which to oppose the mafia.

[West9]

Honestly, if TMJ and PB were my scummates D1, I think would've said "fuck this" and either replaced out or bussed them to the end of the world as well.

[pisskop]

@cheet

Sure. Feedback sounds awesome. Here, there, everywhere.

[Cheetory6]

Was sad the flavour had to get taken out of the town roles I liked them

@SW, no problem. Hope things are going okay with you.

[West9]

lol hey I do say "feel free to" a lot, don't i

speaking of this

apparently, the person who took "west" on this site made 5 posts in 2004 and hasn't been active since. yayyyyyyy

[SilverWolf]

Honestly, if TMJ and PB were my scummates D1, I think would've said "fuck this" and either replaced out or bussed them to the end of the world as well.

+1

[evilpacman18]

Cheet I always welcome feedback, feel free to post here. Thanks for modding!

[SilverWolf]

@SW, no problem. Hope things are going okay with you.

Thanks, I've had some rough spots lately but they are slowly turning around.

Good job at modding BTW.

[bji]

@West, Sure.
If anyone has any thoughts on the setup I wouldn't mind some feedback on that as well.

Well, my first thought is that I don't understand why town was given so many PRs and scum none. Doesn't that weigh things in favor of town?

It's unfortunate that the jailer was killed so early, and that the neighborhood never amounted to much. I think there was more potential in the setup than was fully realized, because of the way the game played out.

[bji]

Honestly, if TMJ and PB were my scummates D1, I think would've said "fuck this" and either replaced out or bussed them to the end of the world as well.

Yeah, I wouldn't have done that. I would have played my best regardless. Maybe I take this game too seriously.

[bji]

lol hey I do say "feel free to" a lot, don't i

speaking of this

apparently, the person who took "west" on this site made 5 posts in 2004 and hasn't been active since. yayyyyyyy

What's the significance of "West"?

[Cheetory6]

Thanks ^.^
Look forward to yellow mafia someday..

P-Edit: Originally I wanted to give both scum and town an informed player, but that would break the normal guidelines.
The general idea is that the four roles all together are about equal to a cop and a doctor in combined power.
Jailer was arguably the strongest role and vig is pretty swing, but neighbor and informed are pretty meh in the grand scheme of things and only affect the game in very specific circumstances.

[ChaosOmega]

I think the setup was fine. Vig shooting the JK N1 is just really shitty luck for town, and the way informed townie was claimed provided no benefit to town.

Thanks for modding, Cheetory!

[bji]

@Mod:

Link to the scum thread?

[Cheetory6]

Gotta wait for Tjoe to approve it opening.
I promise it's super duper boring though. There's like 4 posts of any kind of significance.

[West9]

I like West. It's a neat and clean name. The "9" at the end muddies it up.

Cheet, I'd evaluate the setup, but Young's game has made me biased and paranoid of neighborizors and I haven't gotten over hating them.