town to you? Or that you don't like the fact that he is being townread? Because what that tells me is that you feel threatened by these townreads. And if you are scum, townreads on town ARE a threat to you and you would justified, so if he's indeed town, kinda makes you more likely to be scum.
It means he looks like nothing, and if he's scum that's bad for us.
See my problem with the slot? It's not a scumread, but it's definitely not a townread.
Honestly I'm not buying this BS.
Gonna type this out real slow so you can go ahead and read it real slow. He has done nothing to look town or scum to me because he's not playing the game. His current strategy is bad and he doesn't seem to be trying to win as either alignment. The best
feeling
I can communicate to you about his alignment is a gut read, and I'm not gonna give you that because gut reads at this stage would be ludicrous.
The silly notion that I somehow have to have a stance on him is confusing at best, and scummy at worst. So again I'll ask, why is he town? My ears are open, because honestly I'm starting to suspect that you don't have an answer.
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
.... then why did you mention it if it means nothing to you? It must mean something... it was significant enough for you to list as a reason he's "not town". right?
2. If he's town he's bad at it
Okay.... so?
See above
See above.
3. If he's scum he's winning
Does this mean he
looks
town to you? Or that you don't like the fact that he is being townread? Because what that tells me is that you feel threatened by these townreads. And if you are scum, townreads on town ARE a threat to you and you would justified, so if he's indeed town, kinda makes you more likely to be scum.
It means he looks like nothing, and if he's scum that's bad for us.
Why..... ? If he's scum and you're town, then it's clearly not working...?
See my problem with the slot? It's not a scumread, but it's definitely not a townread.
Honestly I'm not buying this BS.
Gonna type this out real slow so you can go ahead and read it real slow. He has done nothing to look town or scum to me because he's not playing the game. His current strategy is bad and he doesn't seem to be trying to win as either alignment. The best
feeling
I can communicate to you about his alignment is a gut read, and I'm not gonna give you that because gut reads at this stage would be ludicrous.
The silly notion that I somehow have to have a stance on him is confusing at best, and scummy at worst. So again I'll ask, why is he town? My ears are open, because honestly I'm starting to suspect that you don't have an answer.
Really. Asking you to be accountable to yourself and the game is "confusing at best and scummy at worst"?
I've already given you an answer as to why I think he's town. I've mentioned it several times. You continuing to pretend like it doesn't exist isn't going to magically make it so.
FTFY. Reading the game, and my ISO, would be preferable before you ask questions that have already been answered, especially when I have a fucking migraine and can't be fucked to give a shit about this right now.
When you want to be straight up about what you're actually thinking, I'll be here to pick at it.
Sorry you've got a migraine. When you get back tell me if this:
"I don't think scum would bother with a fake hammer, and specifically don't think BBscum would bother with a fake hammer when it would be easier for him to lurk it out. "
Is still your entire basis for the townread. Because "scum BB would be lazier" is a weird thing to go to the mat for
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
My bad, didn't even see it. Tunnel vision on Esp apparently.
I mean I get giving him some points for looking genuine (because he did). I don't particularly find that a strong tell beyond like the beginning of day one.
Phone posting. Low effort, big fun.
"In my heart, Johnny will always be scum" - Not_Mafia
Mina wrote:Patrick, do you still think any combination of {BPC, JF, ETL} works?
Nothing much changed since I last said it, so yes. I think there are a few oddities in some cases (like the serra BPC both attacking you thing you brought up on day 1), but nothing that strongly speaks against any of those teams.
But I also said that I'm not terribly satisfied with my world view, which is why I want people getting their hands dirty. For instance, is Quilford super obviously town? Not really, and there are elements of his play that give me pause.
What specifically is making you paranoid, and what teams within those three do you think are plausible?
Primpod 11:13 pm
chamber can you please come to ukmeet
i would love to finally touch your face
Haven't given alot of thought to Quilford buddies, tbh I haven't been seriously considering him for much of the game. I'm debating whether I should. Fenchurch got round to looking at the game, and we spoke for a while on skype. when looking back at the end of day 1, I just think 732 seems so counter-intuitive at the time it came.
Primpod 11:13 pm
chamber can you please come to ukmeet
i would love to finally touch your face
Hey Patrick, 732 came at a time when I was reassessing the Alchemist wagon and didn't like BBmolla's reasons for being on it at all, and didn't like the fact that you hadn't talked about your read on Alchemist in depth for some time. Literally that entire page is me beginning to doubt the Al wagon.
Also, therein lies the problem with BBmolla, which is that I get really suspicious of people who can't see him as anything but town because of the fakehammer:
Why not look at his actual fucking scumhunting, which is the number one alignment indicative thing in the entirety of mafia? Because it hasn't been very fucking good. Go back, look at his reasons for scumreading Alchemist, and tell me they even begin to approach good.
I have found various aspects of BB's play town, which is why I have him at null. But people (Patrick, ETL) who are just saying blah blah emotion blah fakehammer need to look a little bit closer, for Christ's sake. Your lack of nuance in your read on him really concerns me, which is precisely not what I want, because it's destroying my previously held townreads on you and, I think, making me think Johnny is townier than he actually is.
I'm not sure how many times I need to say I can't read BB before people start to believe me. I think he's town and he's one of the few that I have so I want to hold on to it or I will get more lost than necessary. Johnny wants to stick me with it then fine whatever. It's not going to change how I feel about it whether you or Johnny or anyone else likes it or not.
like forcing me to reinforce a read beyond what it is and then acting like having a read in that manner after doing so is some kind of tell is really something else.
I ISO'd BBmolla last night, and TBH, right now, I think he's probably the most likely of the Patrick-Quilford-BB trio to be scum, since there are fewer moments that make me go, "OMIGOD, THIS IS UNFAKEABLE." (Already talked about Patrick, and although Quilford's play can be sloppy and has surface-level things to attack, I feel like there's depth behind his scumhunting that I don't think he could fake, like his thought process in the whole "Townread me, plz!" posting spree where he reacts to how his reads were mirrored by other people.) I think Molla's play sounds genuine overall, but when reading his ISO through the lens of paranoia, I could see him faking a lot of the flippancy and one-liner reads--I'd have felt better if he seemed more engaged today. The strongest reason to townread him is his fury at Mara rather than his hammer gambit, IMO. It felt pretty real to me at the time.
If I wasn't a terrible person who should never play Mafia and hasn't even updated the newbie queue yet and also I can feel myself about to pass out any minute and I still haven't cooked dinner for tomorrow or filed my taxes for ages or washed like a week's worth of dishes and Thursday/Friday I have two 9:00 AM-10:00 PM work days in a row because I did nothing on my day off and I hate myself and it'll be my fault when town loses...okay, let me end this sentence. As I was saying, if I was playing well, I'd have a bunch of questions for Molla and dig up some "townier" scum!Quilford posts from Pandora/upside down to show the significant difference in tone/scumhunting style. (Although I get the occasional Regfan rebuttal of "IT'S TEAM MAFIA, OF COURSE HE'D BE TRYING HARDER" when I bring that up as an argument, I still feel like it's night and day.)
