Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

mhm. And if Rhinox targeted scum again, they would know nobody is going to claim Rhinox targeted them, therefore claiming he blocked Rhinox was safe.

[Magua]

Vote Count 4.5

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

shos (2): Iecerint, Cephrir
T-Bone (1): Wisdom

Not Voting (4): GreyICE, shos, T-Bone, xRECKONERx

Deadline for Day 4 is Wednesday, May 27th, at 05:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-27 16:00:00)

[Cephrir]

hey shos, how did you make your table and write down that i targeted you without realizing the problem

also, i skimmed tier's iso. he looks like scum with the people i already suspect and looks like not scum with reck.

I wrote you switched votes, not targetted both of us to switch out votes. didn't think about it. how did YOU miss that, though, that's baffling me. I don't know if I should make scumread out of this or not. the subsequent posts in this day were awful but this mistake - it's like, totally fucking wierd.

You have no sense of irony, do you?

1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

intrigue me, what was scum theater? can you elaborate or 'unnecessary' again?

/inb4 "I DUN MAKE CASES"

Oh, I make cases. On this occasion, I just don't have a very good reason for thinking this.

1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

bullshit. Only you saw it as such and never explained why.

I agree. Wisdom's negging was what caused me to take a look on Tier, and it was Tier himself who made me vote him finally. I don't think that wagon would have gone through without my vote, I would say. Tier caused me to vote, and him alone. before he came out of his VLA, I was against the wagon if you recall - the wagon grew while he was VLA, and nobody gave ANY reasoning.

You agree that you aren't scum? Fancy that.

I don't recall you having much impact on that wagon.

What?

Okay, no -- if T-Bone is scum, then why would he FAKECLAIM having blocked the DEAD DOCTOR who everyone was READING AS TOWN? That's suicidal. And it also relies on one of his scumbuddies being the one protected by Rhinox, and relies on that person NOT claiming they were protected by Rhinox.

Scum wouldn't have been told they were targeted by Rhinox until start of D3. How would they have had time to get their claim right? The only way that works is if scum have daytalk/encryptor... and work very fast. Because T-Bone claimed pretty quickly at the start of D3, didn't leave much time to strategize.

lol, I realize that MS has commented on this before me, lol

Reck, scum MADE THE KILL. the could plan it at night, no need for daytalk, even.

THEY DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW HE WAS THE KILL OR A DOCTOR OR THAT HE WOULD GIVE OUT LOUD RESULT

are you kidding me?
scum didn't know he was the kill?
also there are more than one way of knowing he was loud doc. who did he target N1, again.?

You have an amazing talent for reading words and coming up with different ones.

1. MS wonders if you're all drugged because how the fuck can you scumread me after Tier's pushes against me and his flip ... .... obvtown bla bla lol

tier was clearly toast, it looked like textbook scum theatre

bullshit. Only you saw it as such and never explained why.

because it came out of nowhere and only when tier was obviously getting hammered?

I'm pretty confident that lynching tbone grey and shos will end the game.

so you're sure Iece is town, grey is scum, and one of {me,tbone} are scum? why aren't you pushing GreyICE then?

Because I didn't say that? You just read my words and came up with different ones?

[Cephrir]

if you're going to update your totally helpful table of helpfulness, at least update it properly

[shos]

although... hm

If it DOES mean what we think it means, then scum were targeted N1, found out Rhinox targeted them (do they know it's doc?) and then killed him N2. So I doubt they blocked Rhinox AND killed him, meaning T-Bone would've blocked shos, I guess.

I told you, it all makes fucking sense.

@ceph:
MS says that take a look at posts:
173, 287, 530, 1442, 1947 and extraspecially 2782 that cannot be faked

he says he got these just by ctrl+f ing 'shos'. he says these are not scum interacting with each other, and you should get out of the tunnel and start thinking out of the confbias.

@reck:
MS says Tier sucks, and tbone was playing safe with a tracker known to be in the setup (he still thinks iece is town..) and it's just a wrong move.

~~
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=58377
MS blabbed a lot on this link, saying that reck can definitely be scum, he caught him in first few posts and reck spiting him made him replace out and then reck fliped third party or something??

I can't keep up
I'm going to kung fu


OMFG MORE PEDITS I WANT TO LEAVE GUYS

[shos]

@ceph:
I didn't influence that wagon, I also didn't say I did; wisdom did - but my hammer was the thing that actually made it happen, I doubt others would've done that instead.

WHERE WAS I MISREPPING RECK THERE
HE LITERALLY SAID "THEY DIDN'T FUCKING KNOW HE WAS THE KILL" <<<<copy pasted

if you think that all scum are in {list} that means that ALL THE REST ARE TOWN IT IS REALLY THAT FUCKING EASY. AND YOU SAY IT IS A 1v1 BETWEEN ME AND TBONE SO ONLY ONE OF US IS SCUM, RIGHT?!?!? OR IS THIS SCUM THEATER TOOOO???

[shos]

if you're going to update your totally helpful table of helpfulness, at least update it properly

what did I miss?

/goes to kung fu

[Cephrir]

@ms: maybe later i'll feel like it, but i doubt i'll agree anything can't be faked that's happened between them

@vote: someone else would have voted.

@table: Night 3, and you didn't change tier's role name to the correct one

[xRECKONERx]

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=58377
MS blabbed a lot on this link, saying that reck can definitely be scum, he caught him in first few posts and reck spiting him made him replace out and then reck fliped third party or something??

what the fuck is this shit

I was third party in that game. I claimed I wasn't town in my first post. I was trying to win with town, so my scumhunting was genuine

tell MS to shut the fuck up

[Wisdom]

blah blah

still tbone/grey

[xRECKONERx]

and uh I just ctrl+F'd his hydra's name in that game and i mentioned them a grand total of TWICE

[xRECKONERx]

"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"
"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"

those are really similar and also im not even sure what hte second one means

[Iecerint]

shos would never in a million years fuck up his fakeclaim, especially in Team Mafia. And ESPECIALLY after Tier fucked up his. I don't know what the explanation is, I don't know if Tbone blocked him or something else that we don't know about happened, but shos is not scum.

1. I don't think T-Bone blocked him, because that would mean that scumT-Bone lied and claimed to have blocked the dead player (i.e., unnecessarily risking being caught by the tracker, which he knew existed, and targeting a claim that itself would invite suspicion even if he didn't do that). If scumT-Bone, I think T-Bone blocked Rhinox, and Rhinox was killed+blocked on suspicion of having my ability. But T-Bone targeting Reck N3 looks fairly town to me.

2. Usually, self-watchers are passive, meaning that they cannot be blocked or redirected.

Shos claimed that he would track as "self-targeting," suggesting that this game may be unique in this case, but the main thing supporting this aspect of the claim was TierShift's claim that his 1-shot invent was self-targeting. Shos made this connection himself D3.

@Reck, Quil will have to wait for the time being for what I would imagine are obvious reasons.

[Cephrir]

But T-Bone targeting Reck N3 looks fairly town to me.

If you or Grey was blocked we would lynch him instantly, so...

[Wisdom]

Are you saying that Tbone got two different PMs, one for the tracker result and one for "Rhinox targeted you" and thought Rhinox is the tracker?

[Iecerint]

"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"
"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"

those are really similar and also im not even sure what hte second one means

The latter is presumably when you send a night action to the mod and he sends a PM back that says "Confirmed" or something similar, indicating that he received the action.

After Tier's flip, I assume that scum have fakeclaims, so I am not that concerned about the similarity.

Pedit: Idk @Ceph, I feel like T-Bone has a sketchy enough ability use track record that he could probably use an argument like "One of them had to be scum so I blocked them" and do whatever he wanted.

[xRECKONERx]

@Reck, Quil will have to wait for the time being for what I would imagine are obvious reasons.

No I have no idea why

[T-Bone]

I eve wasn't going to do the kill if scum because he has his own action what would be the point in blocking him?

[Cephrir]

the point would be you being scum

[xRECKONERx]

I really don't think I want to lynch T-Bone today

[Wisdom]

its either that or grey

[xRECKONERx]

"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"
"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"

those are really similar and also im not even sure what hte second one means

The latter is presumably when you send a night action to the mod and he sends a PM back that says "Confirmed" or something similar, indicating that he received the action.

After Tier's flip, I assume that scum have fakeclaims, so I am not that concerned about the similarity.

Pedit: Idk @Ceph, I feel like T-Bone has a sketchy enough ability use track record that he could probably use an argument like "One of them had to be scum so I blocked them" and do whatever he wanted.

confirming an action to the wrong player is literally something I've never heard of before

TO me, it sounds like shos getting lost in translation while coming up w/ a fakeclaim

[Iecerint]

Are you saying that Tbone got two different PMs, one for the tracker result and one for "Rhinox targeted you" and thought Rhinox is the tracker?

That is not part of the logic that I was considering and hadn't occurred to me, but it would make sense, yeah. Good thought.

The logic I was using is the following.

1. T-Bone's N2 claim target is scummy and he was aware of the tracker. So it is probably his real target. He could easily simply claim blocking shos if he targeted shos, for example, and have less risk of being found by the tracker.
2. If it is his real target and he is scum, then either he is not a roleblocker at all and simply killed Rhinox, or scum both roleblocked and killed Rhinox.
3. No one got the Loud Doctor effect from Rhinox, so T-Bone DID block Rhinox unless Rhinox protected scum N2.
4. So if T-Bone is scum, probably scum blocked AND killed Rhinox.
5. So if scum did that, they probably thought he was the amnesiac tracker, since there's no reason to block the kill target ordinarily.

Another way out of this is that T-Bone could be town who blocked Rhinox, which doesn't require that scum have a reason for killing+blocking the same target.

[xRECKONERx]

@iece: doesn't that mean shos is scum from your POV

[Iecerint]

"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"
"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"

those are really similar and also im not even sure what hte second one means

The latter is presumably when you send a night action to the mod and he sends a PM back that says "Confirmed" or something similar, indicating that he received the action.

After Tier's flip, I assume that scum have fakeclaims, so I am not that concerned about the similarity.

Pedit: Idk @Ceph, I feel like T-Bone has a sketchy enough ability use track record that he could probably use an argument like "One of them had to be scum so I blocked them" and do whatever he wanted.

confirming an action to the wrong player is literally something I've never heard of before

TO me, it sounds like shos getting lost in translation while coming up w/ a fakeclaim

To be clear, I agree that shos being scum is super super parsimonious right now.

I just don't think the claim is a necessary condition for it really.

pedit yep