NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[Shinobi]

Vote Count

Grib

(1):

RIP

Not Voting

(8):

elusive, Nero Cain, Grib, davesaz, Rubicon, Vampirate, Drixx, BlueBloodedToffee

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-07-04 17:00:00)

[davesaz]

Pointy wagon analysis ho.

PointYBagelS (6): Rubicon, Nero Cain, elusive, RIP, Grib, BlueBloodedToffee

Rubicon - vote in 3952, reason was in 3950 but it was pretty weak, based on Nero's 3937
Nero - vote in 4007, PoE apparently, or 3937 as a reason
Elusive - vote in 4031, no reason directly given. Must be PoE
RIP voted in 4045, "pointy looks bad anyways"
Grib voted in 4046 with a "whee". Had given reasons for scum read back in the 3500's
BBT voted in 4066 with "Ahhhhh". Had Pointy or Vampirate as a lynch pool earlier.

This is one of the ugliest late game lynches I've ever seen. The town on this lynch did us no favors by being so lazy about giving reasons, because it left the scum a perfect hiding place.

[Rubicon]

RIP's vote is certainly the worst.

[RIP]

I got no result. I could have easily said I copped someone town.
I got no result and I'm left to figure it out. I'm sure there's a reason

[RIP]

Dave so you are saying there's scum in pouty wagon?
Well let's look at all wagons and find sum in it if any.
This list u give doesn't answer much and ruby saying my vote is worst is kinda lol. Why is my vote worst?

[Rubicon]

Your vote is the worst because you gave no reason for it and I have no idea why you would have voted him just because he was a top wagon.

Did you read 4096?

[RIP]

Looking at vote counts I wonder why rubicon thinks my vote is worst when I was 4th to vote and then grib hopped on after me and then so did elusive. Then there was a hammer.

I think it's clear to say that I doubt vamp is a scum. He's definitely played poor and strong at time. I had many changes with his affiliation but I doubt he tunnels peace and then NKs him.

[RIP]

Rubi stop lying bro. Are u serious?

[davesaz]

If you had an actual reason, I'm sure you can quote it.

[Rubicon]

RIP, did you read 4096?

[Rubicon]

By the way, I just realized Ricastle flipped unlimited-shot Friendly Neighbor. I sent Shinobi a PM asking if this is correct, but if it is then RIP is the only x-shot PR in the game.

[davesaz]

Going from memory on the known info columns. This assumes the 'alive' list in the op was up to date except for PointYBagels and PeaceBringer

elusive
Nero Cain - cop by RIP gave 'no result' ?
Grib - claimed JOAT
davesaz - Grib says cleared
Rubicon
Vampirate
Drixx
RIP - claimed cop
BlueBloodedToffee - claimed doc

I thought BBT's hammer post was kinda interesting.
So who are the scum on the wagon? That VCA will probably be my next move.

What are your reads?

The only people I'm reasonably sure are town are Grib, Rubicon, and myself.

Vampirate still has a cloud from JBomber.
RIP's claim seems fake. The x-shot doesn't seem to fit the revealed PRs, and two cops (with Grib JOAT) seems wrong.
If RIP's claim is true then Nero is lying.
BBT's claim could easily be fake and I had a weak scum on the slot before.
Drixx slot could have been the scum that failed to even submit a kill the previous night.
Elusive had some weird associations that I pointed out yesterday.

Dave
Grib
Rubicon
----- nulltown
Elusive
----- nullscum
Nero
Vampirate
----- scum
BBT
Drixx
RIP

[Vampirate]

By the way, I just realized Ricastle flipped unlimited-shot Friendly Neighbor. I sent Shinobi a PM asking if this is correct, but if it is then RIP is the only x-shot PR in the game.

Didn't Ricastle say it a 2 shot friendly neighbour or do you think that was a gambit?

[Rubicon]

I'm wondering if it was a gambit and he might have targeted a third person who never mentioned it. I could be wrong, but I assumed x-shot roles had to flip x-shot in normal games.

[Vampirate]

At this point it's mute since everyone knows he's a FN and anyone can claim anything.

[Rubicon]

Never mind, Shinobi says he doesn't include modifiers in his flips.

[Nero Cain]

vote:Drixx

[RIP]

My role says 2x so that's what I am. I don't care if there's no more 2x roles. Mine is

[elusive]

The problem is that two scum who died were lurkers and only popped in here and there with odd play. Pointy emulated them pretty clearly. Dave is a lurker who suddenly started talking more but has no followup.

Then there's Nero who I'd like to see dead. Mostly for haranguing me throughout the game.

Then there's RIP who I'd like to see dead. Mostly for just being unintelligible across the board.

Then there's Vampirate who I've wanted to see dead for a while because KC defended his slot quite a lot. The interactions there are off. She also hard defended RIP. So both those dead seem like a good idea to clear the air.

Then BBT forgot to put in a protect, hmm....

Then there's Grib who may be the serial killer. His avatar changed...idk...I'm still processing...

idk

[Nero Cain]

homemade sauce

How do you make your sauce?

Like really suspect him, I really wasn't suspecting him that much tbh.

lol no

Anyways Nero kept saying I was ripping a guilty on him.
That's a weird choice of words when I never said such thing. Did he actually outed he thought I had a guilty and I was somehow being fancy with my play?

Are you like even paying attention? Other than some illogical as fuck "ZOMG NERO CAN READ HIS AND HE'S SOLVING THIS GAME FROM HIS POV...SO HE'S ACTUALLY LYING SCUM 'CAUSE SOLVING THE GAME WHEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE TOWN IS A SCUM MOVE!" theres a large amount of heat on me 'cause you are claiming to have gotten a no result and folks are like "well either one of you or RIP is lying. Do you not understand this?

Nero shouldn't be lying about being untargetable

but I'm not. One of the reasons that I thought Pointy was so scummy is 'cause he had this really odd belief that scum didn't have a rolestopper wich was super odd b/c him as Vt wouldn't know that.

[Rubicon]

Hm, it's not so odd a belief. Rolestopper + roleblocker would be a pretty unusual combination.

[Nero Cain]

Don't rally see how

[Drixx]

I'm sorry Rubicon, but your suggested reading range didn't really give me the feeling of being plugged into the game. I'm going to go back and read from context. Does anyone want an update every 15-20 pages of thoughts, or can I just post my notes when I finish?

[davesaz]

I feel it's important you don't check out entirely while doing it. Other than keeping up with the current events, how you re-read is up to you IMO.

[Nero Cain]

want an update every 15-20 pages of thoughts