MINI 1688 — BEES!!! — game over

[Not_Mafia]

Pretty sure the IC claim was just a troll, I won't be surprised whatever SK's flip, but I don't see any better option springing up and it's certainly better than a no lynch

[EspeciallyTheLies]

You're not very good at this whole discussing things, bit.

Never mind.

So you're just going to ignore what I've said because....?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I am trying to understand your logic of "lynch null" vs "lynch obvious bullshit".

[RedCoyote]

ETL, why would SK claim something so outrageous as scum?

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew; VOTE: Not_Mafia

SK's claim is effectively provable at some point. SK does not need to be lynched today.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ETL, why would SK claim something so outrageous as scum?

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew; VOTE: Not_Mafia

SK's claim is effectively provable at some point. SK does not need to be lynched today.

Effectively provable? Are you kidding me right now?

omfg. This is unbelievable.

I quit.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Such effort to lynch a null and save a partner. Incredible.

[ChaosOmega]

Pretty sure the IC claim was just a troll, I won't be surprised whatever SK's flip, but I don't see any better option springing up and it's certainly better than a no lynch

I mean, you're the other option.

I am trying to understand your logic of "lynch null" vs "lynch obvious bullshit".

Because the obvious bullshit reads as town?

ETL, why would SK claim something so outrageous as scum?

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew; VOTE: Not_Mafia

SK's claim is effectively provable at some point. SK does not need to be lynched today.

Is it effectively provable without lynching him at some point?

[Not_Mafia]

If there are 2 back up ICs then there isn't a regular IC

[ChaosOmega]

If there are 2 back up ICs then there isn't a regular IC

Sherlock Holmes on the case.

[Green Crayons]

I have bad feelings about RC.

1.

I don't like his buddying of me.

2.

I don't like his outrage directed at Bulge (Post 695, Post 702, Post 805, Post 806, Post 807). It looks fake and over the top. It looks like what scum would say to another scum. And then RC used that to vote Bulge (Post 955), which looks like scum bussing scum.

3.

I don't like how quickly RC unvoted Bulge/NM and then followed ETC (who replaced UT, who RC had a very lengthy post about why UT was scum in Post654) onto voting SK -

while still voicing suspicions that Bulge/NM and ETC were scum buddies

(Post 984).

4.

I don't like RC's lazy case against ducks, which as far as I can tell isn't based on much other than -maybe- an associative tell with UT/ETL? Post 1034 is particularly a bad push.



I don't know if I want yet another fucking claim, so that's why I'm hesitant to push for this. A big part of these suspicions does come down to NM's alignment, though, and so I kinda want to go ahead and double down on NM. So that's where I'm at.

[Green Crayons]

So you're just going to ignore what I've said because....?

I'm trying to discuss things with you, and about why I'm not viewing certain actions as alignment indicative or, at least, suggesting a scum alignment in the context in which the actions are being taken, but you keep going

no you're wrong

followed quickly by

I'm done arguing

[Green Crayons]

I don't know if I want yet another fucking claim, so that's why I'm hesitant to push for this. A big part of these suspicions does come down to NM's alignment, though, and so I kinda want to go ahead and double down on NM. So that's where I'm at.

And I was going to vote NM, but then I p-edited when I saw RC's NM vote.

[Not_Mafia]

Can we flashwagon RC? I don't like the slot and that switch sucked

[RedCoyote]

If there are 2 back up ICs then there isn't a regular IC

I don't understand what this means. I've never played with two backup ICs before. Can you explain?

[RedCoyote]

How is an IC not provable? It's the most provable role there is given that it's mod confirmed...

[RedCoyote]

It looks like what scum would say to another scum.

That means you can vote NM, you realize?

[Green Crayons]

It means there's nothing to backup. There is no IC. They will never become replacement ICs. They will forever just be backup ICs.

It kinda clears them if town ever figure that out.

Which would go hand-in-hand with a role cop, which is the least awesome of all cops.

[Fro99er]

I'm a little nervous about NM because the only game I played with him he was town and incorrectly death tunneled one player the whole game after replacing in. He's actually looking more town here, so I'm not sure if it's meta manipulation or its his scum play to try to look more town, but at least he's attempting to scumhunt on his catch up, so I don't want to lynch NM because if he's scum I think it should become apparent with time.

pedit: see the RC stuff

[RedCoyote]

I still don't understand, GC.

If you think that, then SK is town, yes?

Or are you implying that he's a role cop that found another backup IC that has yet to claim?

[Not_Mafia]

It means since there's probably no IC he'll never actually be confirmable

[Not_Mafia]

That or he's lying

[Green Crayons]

our Role Cop was BiBob, who is dead

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Or he's scum with a bad fake claim. Which happens all the fucking time. Especially with lazy players. I forget what game it was but Titus' partner fakeclaimed the same shit she did, by accident, because he wasn't paying attention.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

MS would know I think.

[RedCoyote]

1. I don't like his buddying of me.

You're my number one town read. You're going to get treated that way. Sorry, thems the breaks.

2. I don't like his outrage directed at Bulge (Post 695, Post 702, Post 805, Post 806, Post 807). It looks fake and over the top. It looks like what scum would say to another scum. And then RC used that to vote Bulge (Post 955), which looks like scum bussing scum.

This is far too oversimplified in that I explicitly did not want to vote Bulge. I wanted to vote UT. No one, yourself included, helped me with this. In fact, you went so far as to show ETL a lot of love and said something to the effect of, "yeah, I'm not lynching ETL today".

3. I don't like how quickly RC unvoted Bulge/NM and then followed ETC (who replaced UT, who RC had a very lengthy post about why UT was scum in Post654) onto voting SK - while still voicing suspicions that Bulge/NM and ETC were scum buddies (Post 984).

You can't have it both ways. In your second point you accuse me of secretly wanting to lynch Bulge inspite of overt commentary to the contrary, but here you claim that I'm trying not to get Bulge lynched. Which is it?

Additionally, I'll vote ETL. I've been saying that since I came in. ETL has not cleansed me of that notion. It's crap that you're effectively criticizing me for not pushing ETL hard enough. How long am I supposed to ride a one-vote wagon to satisfy whatever arbitrary threshold you have in your head? Until 24 hours to deadline? Until 12 hours?

I mean, I guess this sort of pragmatism is lost on someone that thinks no lynch is a smart policy since "replacements are too hard", but don't take your cowardice out on me.

4. I don't like RC's lazy case against ducks, which as far as I can tell isn't based on much other than -maybe- an associative tell with UT/ETL? Post 1034 is particularly a bad push.

There's much more to it than that in my notes. I haven't built a case against her. I'm not going to take the time to do so if I gauge no interest in it. Given how quickly my UT case was shot down, I see no interest in trying to start something fresh yet again at this point in time.