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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:05 am

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In post 217, Porochaz wrote:Just checking, do you know why you are voting me?

Yarr. In re-reading you just sounded off to me at several points and I think everyone else has been at least somewhat townish.

Although thinking over the hitokill more, whereas I don't necessarily find it compelling evidence towards Primate/Shanba/Nexus, maybe it does point to Poro being town? Hito was the one most strongly pushing outside of the central AV vs. Poro conflict and that's a conflict you want to leave firmly behind you if you're Poroscum.
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:10 am

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To add to CES' post above, he currently thinks Poro is most likely scum by PoE, but admits that he's not sure if Poro as scum would have incentive to kill hito, and says I'm free to move our vote if I want to.

I don't yet know if I want to.

In post 217, Porochaz wrote:Just checking, do you know why you are voting me?

This is a weirdly worded question though. Were you asking CES to explain why he voted for you? Or just confirm whether he had a reason? Because I can't think of a situation in which the answer to the latter question would be 'no'.


I was also half expecting us to die during the night. I guess there's multiple potential reasons why hito died instead:
a) he had a better grasp on who the scum were
b) he seemed more likely to work out who the scum were in future
c) he seemed more town
d) he seemed less likely to get mislynched
e) we seemed more likely to be protected

But since I just finished a game where I died N1 and had the two scum as my top two scumreads, I don't want to ignore the possibility of a). Which makes Nexus/Shanba/Primate more likely to be scum, as far as I can tell.

Ugh, this game just feels like wading through mud. It's frustrating coming out of Team Mafia, where I had at least one or two strong reads in most of our games, into this, where despite me being familiar with all the players, I feel like I don't have a solid clue.

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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:19 am

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In post 222, ChannelDelibird wrote:Hito kill strikes me as odd; I might have been prepared to go after him for some of his AV push.

Is this true? Did you think hito came off as scummy for pushing the AV lynch, and if so, in what way?

In post 223, ChannelDelibird wrote:I still think that Nexus is town.

Can you elaborate on this? CES is trusting you on this read, but I'd like to know more about where it's coming from.

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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:36 am

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In post 227, Ampersand wrote:
In post 222, ChannelDelibird wrote:Hito kill strikes me as odd; I might have been prepared to go after him for some of his AV push.

Is this true? Did you think hito came off as scummy for pushing the AV lynch, and if so, in what way?


Bear in mind that I only really read anything of hito's after his death, so I knew he was town, but I definitely thought that he was making some real stretches re: AV as scum here and here, and it occurred to me that I might have accused him of overelaborately trying to build himself into a position from which he could hammer AVtown and have it look earned. It's possible that elements of that were actually true, but obviously not due to a scum motivation. But I did think that it was odd that he wasn't alive.

In post 223, ChannelDelibird wrote:I still think that Nexus is town.

Can you elaborate on this? CES is trusting you on this read, but I'd like to know more about where it's coming from.


Uh, kinda? Usually I can basically just tell whether or not he's putting on a persona; it's kind of hard to explain. But one thing I can point out is that I think, when Nexus is scum, he struggles to replicate the belief in less popular opinions that he sometimes has. He's more likely to aggressively go with the crowd than convincingly push something alternative which he believes is right. This post, in which he rejected talk of inspie-scum, when he had three votes at the time and probably could have been pushed further, strikes me as more likely to come from him as town than scum and is when I solidified my townread on him.

More broadly, I think Nexus has been consistently and visibly invested in the game and in trying to make things happen, and looks extremely honest. He's the scummer whom I can most accurately read and, at this point, I'd be really surprised if he were scum.
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:25 am

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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:12 pm

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Have reread. Instant gut reactions -

Prozac is still scummy. Primate had a couple of posts that really pinged badly on reread. FenCes very town. CDB has a couple of very town pings on reread.

Details, I guess

CDB looking town:

The initial CDB wagon and his reaction have me a bit skeptical, and CDB deffo gets flustered when wagoned as scum, so I was kinda interested. So I pushed him -

Well, it's irrational, but here's the thought process, more or less:

1) So I say something awkward/recognise that people think I said something awkward
2) Aware that if I say something else awkward, maybe it'll snowball and I'll get lynched (as has happened before)
3) Aware that nothing else is happening in this game right now so people are going to be particularly keen to get things going, looks like that's going to be on me
4) Because nothing else is happening in this game right now, there's not a lot about which I can think other than how people are thinking about me

I mean, ultimately I'm reasonably confident that after a bit of pressure people should realise that I'm town, and of course the game has to start somewhere, but right now the game's set up for me to be very self-conscious, so here I am. I guess this is what early votes are for? It's just more helpful to me when they poke at people whose alignments I don't already know.


I just like this post, I think. The thought process in the last paragraph in particular feels townie - focus on how it helps town.

I also like the way he develops his read on nexus. Felt natural.

FenCes - again, like I said, I really just like the double header giving feedback on internal discussions. The scumhunting somehow looks more genuine that way? Also the part where Fen mentioned she almost did something scummy - I liked that discussion.

Prozac is the scumlord - he gets the initial wagon. I assume this is all jokey votey cause seriously he's being voted for stats.
The issue is that I can't argue with statistics. It also doesn't represent a single game. So it immediately took me out of this game. I can joke about it, but it's a pretty nasty (and unintentional, I presume) way to make me start on the back foot, regardless of alignment. Post 10 shows my feelings in regards to that. After that the game took off, I didn't have a place in those conversations (or that much of an interest). The baseless vote was to get me involved. Which it did.


Find it really off that this makes him flustered - its a joke vote, right? Like, those stats votes weren't serious. Compared to the CDB wagon where it's getting serious and thus the fluster makes a bit of sense. It's also worse because that's not his initial reaction - instead he's just joking around still with random votes n shit - so why would the early wagon make him flustered? It feels incongruous. Similar feeling to the point I raised yesterday. (push nexus, then complain he doesn't have a read on the game - which is it buddy?)

Elmo vote is super off too that demands an explanation. But no one has demanded it. Hey, prozac, I demand you explain!

Um, that leaves Primate -
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Ampersand is being helpful. I retract my earlier read on CDB as now he's acting self-concious in an honest way and that's good I guess. Nexus seems ballsy and happy so cdbs read is one i share a bit, though his is more grounded in realism.

I get the inspo thing, but I don't think he's been overly town, but then not overly scum either. He's pretty honest so I'd lean town if forced to it, but there's not much there.

re: poro the stats thing was obvious guff so eh, there's nothing in that unless I'm missing something. I think he's been mostly town but I don't have much faith in that read because I've put no time into it.

Amper asked for a vote so
vote Shanba
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I still feel like an observer bye.

I just hate this post. The first sentence is a massive ping for me because that describes basically any game I am scum - appreciate it may be different for different players.

No real read on elmo. I got a distinctly scummy vibe from inspie, was surprised to find myself disagreeing, then more surprised to realise he got repalaced died last night and was town, so that's a thing.

Is nexus actually readable legit question.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:13 am

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Need to think about some things but that felt very town from Shanba. Hmmm

UNVOTE: Shanba
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:50 am

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Yarr. Makes me happy I'm still on poro.
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:41 pm

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This is basically a prod avoidance post. Briefly, I don't really believe Nexus would have a hard time faking anything he's posted, but meta is weird like that so I guess I can't write it off without rereading closely with the stated read in mind. I kind of wanted to vote CDB again when he voted Shanba but now I kind of don't. Basically there's still a bunch of stuff I need to reread/work through and it didn't get done because unexpected things.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:43 pm

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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:06 am

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Votecount

Porochaz (2) -- Nexus, Ampersand
Elmo (1) -- Porochaz

Not voting: ChannelDelibird, Elmo, Shanba, Primate
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:37 am

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In post 226, Ampersand wrote:This is a weirdly worded question though. Were you asking CES to explain why he voted for you? Or just confirm whether he had a reason? Because I can't think of a situation in which the answer to the latter question would be 'no'.


You know me, sometimes I feel like Im the default vote.

As for the elmo vote, I feel his posts have been mostly superficial.

He says making a superficial post. Im not that well currently, so if you need more I'll give it at some point later.
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:24 am

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You generally are the default vote, I think. It's made me hesitant a few times this game.

Still,

Vote: Prozac


I'm not sure what I'm waiting for any more, not voting certainly isn't helping the state of the game progress.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:40 am

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Prods have gone out to Nexus, CDB, Primate and Ampersand.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:59 am

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still probably vla but it's not as if my vote is going to change.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:59 am

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Urgh, fine. I'm a tracker.

Tracked CDB to nowhere last night.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:02 am

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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:03 am

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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:57 am

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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:35 pm

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Wow, I'm pretty embarrassed to admit that I kinda forgot about this game for the past couple of days. I think that's the first time that's happened to me. Sorry all.

Porochaz - why did you choose to track CDB?

CES points out that even as a Tracker, Poro could be a Mafia Tracker, but thinks that if the claim is a lie or is scum this will become apparent come massclaim, so Poro is not the best lynch for today.

I'm inclined to believe the claim, and I'm inclined to think Poro is town now. I didn't have any strong read on him before anyway (the vote and the push was all from CES), and the hito-kill plus his claim make me think he's probably town.

My order of preference for lynching now:
scummiest > less scummy
Nexus >> Shanba > Primate/Elmo/CDB >>> Porochaz

I've read CDB's on why he thinks Nexus is town, and I don't really agree. I think it assumes less from Nexus' scum play than is correct - that he wouldn't show engagement or investment in the game, that he wouldn't express opinions counter to the majority - I don't think these things are true. I think Nexus' play here could be scum, and I think he would be likely to kill hito last night.

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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:35 pm

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In post 243, Shanba wrote:
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HMMM

Shanba, is this all you have to say in response to the claim?

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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:55 pm

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I have this (probably wrong)idea of how CDB plays, and I feel he is more engaged as town. The pressure was off of him so I felt that it would be an idea to look at him. That said, I was unhappy with my decision, but I was away and by the time I got back the thread was open so couldn't change it.
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:23 am

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Seeking a replacement for Primate.
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:37 am

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I'm here! Skimming up a bit. I have no reason to doubt Prozac's claim.
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:41 am

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Not voting Nexus. If I had to vote right now, it'd be Elmo, but that's more a function of townreads elsewhere, at least one of which must be wrong. Will reread a bit this afternoon and see what shakes out.
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