NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[Slandaar]

<-- Very Town.

See you all later. I must work.

[Davsto]

Also, the reason I'm not posting while you all are is because my timezone is BST, so about when all of the posting is done is 1AM-5AMish for me, sorry about all that.

Whats BST in GMT (0?) I am +10 I am sure someone overlaps with you.
My problem has been with what and how much not the interaction.

BST is currently GMT+1, because of daylight savings. To give you an idea of why that was a problem...

775 was made at 1:23 AM.
900 was made at 6:56 AM.

So, even if I go to sleep at 1AM and wake up at 7AM - which is much shorter than my sleeping pattern but whatever - I still miss 225 posts.

[Davsto]

Why is it scummy to post an unexplained read?
Why isn't it scummy to post an unexplained list? (not 'it's silly' that isn't a reason I want actual reasoning)

An unexplained read is often left unquestioned. People will often just say them and, if questioned, give a non-answer, like Echo's

Why not the townreads?

Basically, it's often an excuse to just sway people's opinions and then think of reasoning later, when questioned. When you have a single person, it's not that much effort to explain why, right?
On the other hand, explaining why for each person on a list of 19 people is unnecessary. You're being more useful since you are providing a whole motherlode of things to be read by.

It's weird, and I've probably not explained the difference very well, but I just feel there is. Idk.

By the way, my answer to Echo's question is that - imo - everyone should start off null, and need to gain townreads rather than everyone being assumed town at the start.

(also, why do you think I'm not scum, and why the unvote?)

[AxleGreaser]

To give you an idea of why that was a problem...

Fine I post at silly times of day because i can.... stop crying in the river....
and state what times of the day your GMT day you, want to have chat....
Then you can talk to me about my scum read post about you.

You as you know your alignment can work out why i got off you and onto to IaI.

This is called playing mafia.

I am going out of my way...

sigh.

[Davsto]

Difference being:

Sakura's post was a list. Explanations would be silly for all 19 players.
Echo's posts were non-sequitur, standalone posts, where he just said "X is town". I guess I'll ask him why.

@Echo Echo

- why the townreads?

Alright.

Why is it scummy to post an unexplained read?
Why isn't it scummy to post an unexplained list? (not 'it's silly' that isn't a reason I want actual reasoning)

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And what if that's just how I am?

Then I am wrong.

Are you going to call my line of thinking scummy all game or are you going to DO something about it?

I posted my thoughts so that is DO-ing something I would argue. Besides that I am voting Davsto which I am quite happy with at present.

The whole response you made here is really just posturing.

Davis is afk living his life probably, don't get too worked up about it.

The IaI wagon is a terrible wagon IMO since nobody has a decent reason to want him dead other than him not posting as much as the top 3, when a bunch of people have less than half the posts that the moderator does.

Where is the good reasoning on Salamence?

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So...

I am thinking Dave isn't scum after his recent posts so while I await a response to the above I shall unvote.

UNVOTE: Davsto

...what?

I couldn't really understand that, sorry, could you rephrase it?

[Davsto]

Gah, ignore the quote, that was not meant to be quoted gdi.

[I Am Innocent]

There's also the fact that i made some sort of mini case to explain the reason i didnt like Davsto before the vote switch happened and it could've been influenced by it. There's a lot of things Axle isnt taking into account.

You are correct i had been quite hot to trot on my new IaI read and i clean forgot you had made point about Davesto.

You are still claiming though that for me to be scum with Davesto 671 is me pushing buddy?

and you are not lit like Christmas by IaI getting of his Spiffeh read at all?

There is a difference between unvoting Spiffeh and changing my Spiffeh read. News flash, look at my complete reads list, and you will see Spiffeh AND Sal under scum. Nothing has changed there, other than the Spiffeh wagon stalled (which makes me feel worse about that slot actually, if I was wrong and he was town, I'm sure some scum would have jumped on) and Sal continued to refuse to produce reads. So I change my vote to see if I could get some pressure there. What is so hard to understand?

For someone soooooo interested in who might be scum on they're wagon when they know as fact they are town....
I see no active interest by you in for instance examining Shiro.

I do see you wanting other people to make posts running with the hypothetical that you are town.

I've questioned Shiro more than anyone here, so not sure what you're referring to. Oh and newsflash again, look who the 3rd person under scummy on my reads list is...

Town Reads are Banana, Aeronaut, Shazam, Sakura, Flubber
Slight Town Reads for Slandar, MarioManiac
Those who have done townie things which I can't still pull the trigger on to call townie are pisskop, frogger, echo echo
Null ricastle, davsto, veegee, TN5420, AxleGreaser
Scummy - Salamence, Shiro, Spiefel

If it makes u feel better, I don't see scum Axle driving such a bizarre case on me, esp when most of the desire to lynch me has gone, so I'd move you up a slot out of null to those I can't pull the trigger on to call townie.

Truth is, I don't have much of a leg to stand on as the leading vote getter D1. People are very wary of me. And until there are flips, and I can say "I told you so" that probably isn't going to change.

But please, stop acting like I unvoted Spiffeh and moved him to a town read to vote someone I had a previous town read on....I moved from one scum read whose wagon stalled to another scum read. I still scum read Spiffeh and if you can do a better job of making that wagon happen than I did, I'll be the first to jump on.

[AxleGreaser]

@Davsto you made post 669

I criticized it here 671

Here is something else i said about it.

If you ask I can go back and rip the crap out that Davesto post... but i did what felt was proportionate at the time.

Your post doesn't have to be true or accurate. Echo Echo doesn't have to be scum or scummy for the reasons you said.
All you should need is that you are town ,and that was you trying your best to figure the game out.

If for some reason that is not your best towny work.... and you have town PM, cut your losses, say so, and move on.
(move on means do something new that i can talk to you about at a time convenient to you.) (but not 17-18hrs from now)

So are we going to talk about 669 and my 671 or something else.

[I Am Innocent]

Until I catch up, which should be tonight, I'll throw out a vote based on mr coasting vote in 409

vote ricastle

I'm ****ing VLA. Screw you.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Are you mad because I voted you while your on V/LA, or because you didn't like that I called it a coasting vote?

Both in unison. It is clear that I cannot currently contribute substantial content and you're implying that something which was planned months in advance that prevents me from getting on is somehow bad/alignment-indicative. It's annoying.

Too be honest, when I saw the 17 pages (or whatever it was at the time), I looked at the vote count and read the current page and your post jumped out at me. Self declared "coasting vote" is that changed it to a semi-RVS vote from an RVS one...

[AxleGreaser]

What is so hard to understand?

You caught scum in lie, went to some effort do so over an extended time frame.

This

He has at least produced some content, it is now sals turn

directly undrmines the seriousness of

PS - I think I caught spiffel in a lie, so that's where my vote is

When no, all you actually wanted was "at least produce some content" and then you would move on?

This does not sit right.

[Shiro]

Guys I think we should get Mario. If Mario is scum then there is a solid chance Spiffeh is scum

I was thinking about the vote and I realised it was kinda out of nowhere I would have been ok if he tried to push it but he never really did

Seems like a perfect bus Park vote

I mean assuming spiffeh thought Mario lynch was improbable cause of the other two raging wagonsit is a safe place and when /if Mario get killed/lynched told you so cred There is the chance it is a legit vote but if so why not push it?

[Davsto]

Alright then, I'll go for someone else.

VOTE: Banana
Because that unvote was weird. Jumping off the (already falling apart) main wagon makes Spiffeh less scummy, and completely nullifies all your reads on him enough to change your vote?

Also, FoS at MarioManiac for the vote on Sala. It seems like an attempt to counterwagon but with an RVS feel so he can go "guys it was a joke".

Actually, fuckit, I think Mario is worse.
VOTE: MarioManiac

[I Am Innocent]

What is so hard to understand?

You caught scum in lie, went to some effort do so over an extended time frame.

This

He has at least produced some content, it is now sals turn

directly undrmines the seriousness of

PS - I think I caught spiffel in a lie, so that's where my vote is

When no, all you actually wanted was "at least produce some content" and then you would move on?

This does not sit right.

Time to get a new chair then.

When you post 621 in the future, could you then post Spiffeh's responses in 623 and 631 with it. Otherwise it looks like misrepresentation.

Please show me where I said my motive for attacking Spiffeh was only to "produce some content" and then move on. Please show me where I hinted that I did not or still do not have a scum read of Spiffeh! Go ahead, I'll wait.

As I said, I laid out a case, and posted the above post in 621.

Spiffeh responded in 623 and 631. I still don't buy it, but yes it was content.

Nobody joined the wagon. If I was wrong, I would have expected scum to do so. Never happpened, wagon never took off. Which continues to make ME believe I was right. Once again, I don't have a leg to stand on, and without a case, which is hard to do D1 preflips, I moved on to try to find other scum or put pressure on other people to take some stances. You do know in a game of this size, there is prob 4 or 5 bad guys right?

[AxleGreaser]

I moved from one scum read whose wagon stalled to another scum read.

Who you went to some effort to claim you had caught in lie.

Then accepted that there was now some content and moved on.

[AxleGreaser]

So this is in response to 932
and you are moving On?

Alright then, I'll go for someone else.

VOTE: Banana
Because that unvote was weird. Jumping off the (already falling apart) main wagon makes Spiffeh less scummy, and completely nullifies all your reads on him enough to change your vote?

Also, FoS at MarioManiac for the vote on Sala. It seems like an attempt to counterwagon but with an RVS feel so he can go "guys it was a joke".

Actually, fuckit, I think Mario is worse.
VOTE: MarioManiac

So I should discuss this post with you, or ?

[I Am Innocent]

THE WAGON STALLED!!!!

[I Am Innocent]

I moved from one scum read whose wagon stalled to another scum read.

Who you went to some effort to claim you had caught in lie.

Then accepted that there was now some content and moved on.

Please wise one, tell me how I should have played it?

[I Am Innocent]

Guys I think we should get Mario. If Mario is scum then there is a solid chance Spiffeh is scum

I was thinking about the vote and I realised it was kinda out of nowhere I would have been ok if he tried to push it but he never really did

Seems like a perfect bus Park vote

I mean assuming spiffeh thought Mario lynch was improbable cause of the other two raging wagonsit is a safe place and when /if Mario get killed/lynched told you so cred There is the chance it is a legit vote but if so why not push it?

What is the connection between Mario and spiffeh?

[I Am Innocent]

I don't get it

[I Am Innocent]

That seems like a reach.

And if Mario flips town, that exonerates spiffeh???

[I Am Innocent]

Why is scum shiro coming up with such bad logic unless she's trying to protect someone?

unvote salamance
Vote davsto

[AxleGreaser]

Please wise one, tell me how I should have played it?

743 Banana got off why?
Talk to spiffeh some more. Push spiffeh about limping off the wagon.


Not go from scum you caught in lie, which get downgraded by you to now they are contributing its Ok....

PS - I think I caught spiffel in a lie, so that's where my vote is

He has at least produced some content, it is now sals turn

This shoots your own wagon in the foot.

one or both of those two statements is bullshit

[I Am Innocent]

Never.got.downgraded.but.nice.try.

[AxleGreaser]

Never.got.downgraded.but.nice.try.

I didnt say you claimed to have down graded it,
but you shot your own wagon in the foot by saying that providing content provided relief.
as if that was the problem.

When previously you had claimed he was caught in a lie.

[I Am Innocent]

The wagon was already shot.