Disney UPick Mafia [Game Over!]

[Cephrir]

Feysal you're clearing people with the idea that people only have one part to their role! And honestly can we put it past CPU to lie? I'm not entirely sure

Like read annarchys last post. That is a sketchy post

if cpu was lying, they would be scum

no it's not

fucking claim

[Cephrir]

whatever lynch the confirmed town

VOTE: hiplop

claim or die

[Cephrir]

the choice is yours, so don't pretend it's not

[Cephrir]

There is one slot shining townlights in every post they make. That slot is Hurricane Hodor.

Zero out of ten

[Cephrir]

hodor you're a good player. I'm shocked you can't see I'm town, honestly. The other two I expect to vote me cuz theyre scum but you're pretty obviously town to me

seriously cephrir is so desperate of getting PoE'd that he got everyone to be okay with lynching confirmed town. Enough people were cleared in this setup that he was FORCED to try and go after the guy who handles pressure poorly (me) who was cleared in an indirect way. Farside AND mattp both claimed they knew I was town. They are both confirmed town. Please trust them more than fucking scumbutt role pumba and dodgy super defend-my-buddy annarchy

It has just been pointed out why I cannot be scum with annarchy. please pay attention.

I'm not even trying to lynch you dingus, I just wanted you to claim.

[Cephrir]

I send people dinglehoppers and I'm basically a fruit vendor

Not forks?

[Cephrir]

Farside AND mattp both claimed they knew I was town

and now that you are not claiming friendly neighbor, we know they had no reason for that, so what is your point

[Cephrir]

I don't understand why you are raging so hard about this. Or why your claim still lacks explicit target claims.

[Cephrir]

If you are the fork sender, you should have been told that I roleblocked you recently, as I did get one of those on some night or other

[Cephrir]

None of the things on the list of inventions, as best I recall, was Watcher, and Banakai confirmed getting a watch.

[Cephrir]

yeah, i got one of those, though im not going to bother googling it and i don't get the reference.

why have you still not claimed targets?

also, your claim that i am pressuring you because i know you perform poorly under pressure is predicated on me knowing your meta when i have barely played with you so

[Cephrir]

again, banakai got a watch

[Cephrir]

so basically farside crumbed you being town because of you being a fruit vendor. Wow, that's... not particularly optimal

[Cephrir]

And you apparently think that claim has enough basis that we should believe in it?

I'm not sure if I believe you are this derpy with a 2011 join date

[Cephrir]

None of those things is a watcher.

[Cephrir]

mattp got an invention from them but i mean yes technically they can be scum

[Cephrir]

I'm not sure if you are still reading posts. Annarchy is not a scum inventor. She's not. She isn't. She's not going to be. It isn't so. Nay, thou art wrong.

I would rather lynch for scum than for information that may not even help us.

UNVOTE:

[Cephrir]

Since I have time this time, I guess I'll bother to deconstruct why this wall is so bad.

2. Pegasus - godfather theories are stupid when the cop is a 1-shot and the scum roles have been relatively powerful so far. I also don't buy into the 5 scum theory which is pretty stupid.

A night 3 vanillaizer is not powerful.
A role that has to roll a die to see if it even does anything is not powerful.
A janitor is not all that powerful. It's certainly done absolutely nothing for them this game.

3. Hurricane Hodor - Their latest posts are good. A lot of them mirrored what I was thinking - first with scumreading Feysal, then backing up, and so on and so forth.

It's not that hard to fabricate this. And there are enough players, that scum could post just about any opinion and have someone feel this way. So, next.

I also don't think they would so obviously try to save their partner if bussing is their preference. Their suspicion on Feysal was reasonable and logical and matched with what I thought of Feysal at that time. Why bus the hell out of heartless only to save another partner who isn't doing much at all to get Feysal vigged? Hell, Feysal was a free mislynch for scum.

Heartless was so scummy that not bussing them would be pretty much a scumclaim, with other players in the game who are aware of why that slot was scum.

Did you miss the part where we started the hobgoblin and heartless lynch trains?

They didn't do this wrt Heartless. I was the one pushing Heartless for the longest time but overstating your role in a lynch is townie overconfidence.

"Taking credit for things you didn't do is town"

Wow, that does not even merit a response.

Why is Cephrir confirmed town again?

This is a good question. All I remember for why Cephrir was town was that he got tracked on a night someone got jailkept and an amnesiac cop result was sent to Hodor from Farside explaining why MattP trusted Annarchy's townread on Cephrir. In simpler terms: hogwash.

And questioning that is town how, exactly?

Well Level being town is utterly unsurprising.
We should probably just lynch Feysal, but I haven't done my usual confirmation reading. Cephrir's the only other person who seems to have a decent chance of being scum.
VOTE: Feysal

This was pretty much exactly what I was thinking at the time.

I don't care? Yes, those sure are the people who were considered possible lynch targets at that time.

Unvote

:/
Need to discuss Feysal. Doesn't seem scummy.

This is good posting.

You must have a hard time playing scum if you can't fake emoticons

This + Pegasus push makes Feysal!scum unlikely to me, ftr.

Correct. There's no way scum go all out the way Feysal has demanding that he or I be lynched and claiming that he'll be avenged when I have my overlarge, inflated balloon of a head popped tomorrow.

You appear to have confused being town with stating things that are logical

I think townreads on Cephrir are sort of naive.
Reading the role as town is bad. The only things I'm really reading from town as the slot are the "stop being assholes" bits, but that's not significant.

Agree here as well.

Congratulations

Like, a small minority of their posting D2 was irritating to read, sure but anyone actually reading Hurricane Hodor as scum seriously blows my mind.

Yes, it is mindblowing that someone could read those pretty bland, nothing-special posts and scumread them.

Since 99% of this was "they said things that I personally agree with" I guess you must be arrogant enough to think that all townies must think exactly the same way you do?

Man, I couldn't even say anything substantial about most of that, because it was so blatantly stupid.

[Cephrir]

It would be difficult to explain hiplop as a scum inventor, that's true. However, we've seen essentially no evidence of those inventions even existing, so I can imagine a scum inventor with some other ability as well could just be not using them. I suppose I might as well point out that CPU's claimed inventions are a bit eeeeehhhhh.

[Cephrir]

Sometimes I am baffled by the way people approach this game. These townreads for completely regular posts are just depressing. Sorry I'm not enough of a Good Player to notice that these things are super duper town

[Cephrir]

cephrir how does lynching cpu not give you valuable info?

I already have the information that either there is a scum inventor or CPU is scum, and that's not that different from knowing there's a scum inventor and CPU is dead.

[Cephrir]

I don't think we can apply ockham's razor to get to the conclusion of "CPU made up this story for almost no reason."

[Cephrir]

Hiplop, I'm not trying to lynch you anymore.

Also, vanilla cop? :/

[Cephrir]

I'm lynching the player I feel is most likely to flip scum. There are no ifs ands or buts to be had here. I'm just trying to figure out who that is, though I have a pretty good idea.

[Cephrir]

"almost no reason"

- on everyones townlist with no pressure except me. why is she on townlists? for doing outrageous things

its called a gambit. Seriously.

They haven't been on my town list.

It's a very risky play, but I absolutely acknowledge it could be the case here.

[Cephrir]

Right now I think it's Hodor. Unless I become convinced that I should vote for CPU, that is probably where I'm going today.

[Cephrir]

man, you'd townread the shit out of scumrir peggy

[Cephrir]

man, you'd townread the shit out of scumrir peggy

[Cephrir]

It is that their reads change according to things that happen in thread a lot like mine do.

literally everyone can do this, particularly the person who is probably the best player in this game, so

[Cephrir]

Did anyone else notice in the middle of that post explosion that Hurricane Hodor has yet to claim their targets?

yyyyyep~

[Cephrir]

I honestly think though that its cpu + hodor

Any reason you think it is a 5 person scumteam? Normally 17 players points to 4 scum.

And I just don't see the scum with Hurricane Hodor. But I think their reaction when they return will be informative.

that's because you think you are better than them, and you are not correct about that

also protip: its because these scumroles are weak and town is op. pay attention~~~~

[Cephrir]

hun, part of the reason im not swallowing your townreads is because you are basically describing my scum meta and calling it town

[Cephrir]

Yeah, it's very easy when your reasons were awful.

POE mostly.

[Cephrir]

Here's a quick explanation of said POE.

i) Pegasus30 - investigated. would probably be lynching his otherwise tbh.
iv) Cephrir - hi i'm town
v) CPU Candidates - possible scum
vi) Feysal - have been townreading for play all game. lapsed and started to give in before because i was having trouble seeing alternatives; have been reminded by more town posts why he is so town.
viii) hiplop - town for play in the last 5 pages
xii) Annarchy - town for role-related reasons and to some extent play, but if i'm wrong somewhere it is probably here
xv) Hurricane Hodor - this sure is a slot
xvii) Level 1-1 - IC

yep

[Cephrir]

These reasons are what (for both role and play)?

And are you working with a 4 scum theory or a 5 scum one?

Well I mean, she's clearly an amnesiac watcher as claimed. Certainly scum could have that role, but it would be odd. She gave me a guilty on Triforce when she didn't have to (while killing a vig who I think might have benefited her). I admit Triforce was not exactly a useful scumbuddy not in need of bussing, though. Her immediate reaction to the issue between farside and myself was very town. Even though I remember disliking her earlier posts, that means a lot~

I'm not really sure how many scum there are, so I'm trying to keep my mind open to all possibilities. If there are 4, it can't be Annarchy or myself or hiplop, so that would be almost an autowin.

[Cephrir]

join me on cpu, lynch with fire! charge warthog, GET HIM MR PIG

(if everyone prefers hodor I'll go there too)

I'm basically hoping for a consensus on one or the other and also waiting for targets from hodor.

However, this post really made me want to jump on someone to be in character.

[Cephrir]

i suppose i could also be waiting for myself to reread the game, but who knows whether i'll actually do that

[Cephrir]

yeah that's not as full as i would like for it to be.

[Cephrir]

Humhumhum.

[Cephrir]

for me, the "hiplop insisting that he was confirmed town when he obviously is not" bit is overwhelmed by him turning out to apparently be a derpy player

[Cephrir]

people really like to exaggerate

[Cephrir]

Oh. Well, ok.

[Cephrir]

It teaches me Banakai has shit reads. The way I played, even while laying low I let slip enough information that a semi-decent player would be able to read me as town. Instead of complaining at endgame, read your own play and learn what you can do better. Don't be a mediocre player who thinking everything has to fit into their worldview and when you get a read wrong, blame it on the other person. That'll never help you improve.

[Cephrir]

Pumbaa, Kovu, Copper