NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[pieguyn]

Mod V/LA through end of Monday

Noted.

votecount 2.3

I Am Innocent (4) - Sakura Hana, AxleGreaser, Davsto, tn5421

Shiro (1) - Ricastle
Spiffeh (1) - I Am Innocent
Aeronaut (1) - Salamence20
Davsto (1) - pisskop

Not voting (8) - Spiffeh, ika, Flubbernugget, Shazam, Fro99er, Shiro, Echo Echo, Aeronaut

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is September 9, 23:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-09-09 23:30:00).

Fro99er is V/LA until September 7.

[pisskop]

If you want to push me, try to do so with some valid reasons because what you are doing is parking your vote in a place you are fairly certain that at this point won't cause any traction while you appear to be scumreading someone strongly. It is bs and scummy.

You mean a valid reason like this overly defensive post and being blatently wrong about where my vote is?

[Sakura Hana]

fff

I think pie just got chiitoitsu'd again.

[Sakura Hana]

@Rica: One thing to note, I joined the Mario wagon for the same reason Shiro did, although later it was strengthened when he refused to give reads while he didn't have an issue doing so in Disney but that came after. So why is Shiro scum and i am not?

[Shiro]

If you want to push me, try to do so with some valid reasons because what you are doing is parking your vote in a place you are fairly certain that at this point won't cause any traction while you appear to be scumreading someone strongly. It is bs and scummy.

You mean a valid reason like this overly defensive post and being blatently wrong about where my vote is?

This was going to Rica piss only the first line was adressed to yo
xD

[Shiro]

I should have made it more clear though tbh

[Sakura Hana]

We should peeksee at his reads.

vote: Dave

Can we do this instead of all being Derptowns? SH is still pretty good too.

Where did you get this? I looked at his ISO and he was thinking Dave is town?
Although he was thinking the same about IaI...
Hmm...

[Ricastle]

Soo give me the correct interpratation cause that what they seem like and everyone seems to agree so as well apparently cause I do not see anyone following your vote.

And I was speaking my thoughts maybe ? I made a guess of a possible scenario and laid it out.

Also no not really a hypothesis is a guess to explain something based on little actual facts. An assumption more or less

A case is based on evidence and facts at least to some degree

There is a huge difference

Well for starters, it's ridiculous to call #2 OMGUS and use it as a point against me when he actually accepts my reasoning on the vote when I explain it later. It should be clear that #4 was a jab at Sala; I even clarify such later. By 'this reasoning' in #9 I meant Fro99er's reasoning...I wasn't aware people were, or could even, misinterpret that. His analysis of some of my other posts stems from those misinterpretations as well.

I don't care, nor is it important. You can't just put a scumread out there and push it then later pretend that reasoning and push never existed. Basic stuff here folks.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm gonna

Unvote

for now.

[ika]

-.-

[Ricastle]

@Rica: One thing to note, I joined the Mario wagon for the same reason Shiro did, although later it was strengthened when he refused to give reads while he didn't have an issue doing so in Disney but that came after. So why is Shiro scum and i am not?

Shiro joined the wagon because of 1017, which I could care less about. So.

[Spiffeh]

Anyone questioning the IaI wagon read this:

I will spell things out for people about IaI's contradiction.

EVERYONE READ THIS.

Usually D1 wagons with out counterwagons are townie ones.

In an effort to defend himself, IaI pointed out that there was no other wagon competing his, so he must be town.

Why is scum shiro coming up with such bad logic unless she's trying to protect someone?

unvote salamance
Vote davsto

Here IaI joins the Davsto wagon, later revealed to be for shit reasons (because of Shiro? Not anything Dave did?)

I am Innocent where is the competing wagon against Davsto? You didn't have one so you were town. Isn't he town since he doesn't have one?

I notice that there is no Dave competing wagon, I ask IaI this question. His myriad of responses are riveting:

Scum post

This game is becoming quite easy. Spiffeh, shiro, davsto, ???

Why so upset with me voting ur teammate?

Sad ur weak Mario wagon isn't taking off??? Here let me get u a tissue

He dodges the question by immediately calling my post scummy without explaining why, and when I ask him to just answer the question he resorts to pre flip associatives and acting like I'm an idiot for asking a very valid question. He is willing to use the "no counter wagon" argument to get the heat off of himself, but does not apply this same thing to other players, when it's not him on the defensive. This is selfish play that I would expect from scum.

I haven't even read most of the last 6 pages but we are lynching this today.
VOTE: I Am Innocent

@pisskop in particular respond to this case.
IaI you have yet to address post 955 as I have asked you to countless times so don't cry that I haven't responded to you. You are being really hypocritical if you truly believe not answering questions is scummy. Go look in the mirror. I'll answer your questions in my next post. Like what are your actual reasons for voting for me? It's not very clear to me <------- Actual question

[Shiro]

I don't care, nor is it important. You can't just put a scumread out there and push it then later pretend that reasoning and push never existed. Basic stuff here folks.

I never pretended it never existed but I never really pushed it as a case either so *shrug*

[Spiffeh]

Why so paranoid about a town night kill, and directing where it should go? Also why did you say you were okay with me, mario, and dave getting lynched, but omit dave from your choices of a vig target at night in your very next post?

I believed Mario was and still believe that you are more likely to be scum than Dave. The choices were lynch and vig and I picked my top two targets.

Please explain how I am ESPECIALLY scum if Mario flips town. The reverse I see, but not what you said: similar wagons***, he defended me coming in, I listed him as lean town, I refuse to vote for him.

Process of elimination. I have said already that I have a lot of townreads this game and that still holds true. You and Mario weren't in these townreads, so if Mario is actually town that makes you more likely to be scum.

Sorry, maybe it is just conf bias, but this post right after you jumped off the Mario wagon felt very fake, can you elaborate why you made it/what you were hoping for from Aero?

Because Aero hadn't done anything all day? Plus I had asked him a question that he hadn't answered and his vote was on me for 50 pages because I used a phrase that scum had used in the past.

Those were very underwhelming I am disappointed.

[Salamence20]

Btw I loved 1400 this kind of role flavour things make me smile

Here is a flower

Spoiler:

I dont want it. Im a terrible guardian.

(Im seriously pissed right now with that mason kill. My vig ratio is really high and Im pissed that my shot was bad).

[Ricastle]

Oh yea excuse I will try and be as usefull as you....oh wait. I forgot.

Listen I will not pretend I am being really useful and yea my later points against mario turned to be wrong since he was town but really? Rica riddle me this, other than parking your vote on me with piss poor reason(or well lack of any tbh) and never even remotely attempting to push me and then just changing to Mario. Have you done anything at all? Let me answer this for you. No

Two things: 1) I have been V/LA for almost the whole game whereas you have been here constantly and consistently. 2) Instead of contributing while being here you have instead opted to fluff around loads. That's a major difference in our cases, and it's leaving you looking much worse off.

Like funnily enough your very point of my vote on IAI is bad is pretty much the same thing you did to Mario. And then when I point out that Slaandar might have been a fear kill you point at me ? Like what ?That just fucking dumb. You then come out and say that I am omgusing you ? Excuse me but where exactly are you making this assumption from because you and shazam are the two I feel less inclinted to think are town from the people voting him ?

What point about your vote on IaI? Now you're just making stuff up. NKA is always suspicious when the analyser predicts the logic for the kill. Yeah, where on earth am I getting that from, it's not like I voted you today and said I wanted a flashlynch on you if Mario flipped town yesterday...how could I not have assumed it was your perfectly logical PoE you pulled out of your ass with no explanation behind it?

Let alone that your vote was teh most horrid of them sincei t was basically a naked vote. Most people were voting Mario based on what he was saying and when I brought those points to you you replied that you are the last person that I should be preaching this to, yet you voted him alright. I fully explained what I found scummy about Mario and why I voted him, yet you try to say that the reasoning was a hypothesis I made ?

I don't care about my own vote because I know I'm town but whatever. I did actually explain it - I severely disliked his terrible push on Davsto, which looked like flailing. Also, as I said, my opinion has a tendency to be influenced by the current plurality. I didn't vote him for any of the reasons you did so stop BSing. What are you even saying in your last sentence - YOU'RE THE ONE INSISTING IT WAS A HYPOTHESIS! Holy shit!

If you want to push me, try to do so with some valid reasons because what you are doing is parking your vote in a place you are fairly certain that at this point won't cause any traction while you appear to be scumreading someone strongly. It is bs and scummy.

Why don't you use that strong opinion of yours to put an actual vote down, eh, scum? Or are you waiting for backup again?

[Sakura Hana]

NKA is always suspicious when the analyser predicts the logic for the kill.

I thought it was me who brought that up?

[Salamence20]

Sakura can we wagon Areo

[Sakura Hana]

Sure

Vote: Aero

[Spiffeh]

Anyway I have pretty solid townreads on Salamence, Sakura, Shiro, Axle, Flubbernugget, and Fro99er.

Of the remaining players IaI and tn are my largest scum reads. I think pisskop and Aero would be decent choices for their teammates but those I'm less sure about.

Like it's fucking ridiculous that tn still believes Salamence is scum after he has basically confirmed he is the vig. And his vote on IaI looks weird coming off of Day 1 where he says next to nothing about IaI, which makes me think it's a bus. His reason for voting him is really weak.

I'm almost more willing to lynch tn over IaI but I definitely think one of them needs to be vigged tonight regardless of what happens.

I'll VOTE: Aeronaut for now to get him talking because I want to hear something substantial from him before a lynch occurs.

[Salamence20]

He has been around other places so i dont understand why he hasnt been posting here.

[Salamence20]

Piss are you sticking to the claim of Commuter?

[pisskop]

Are you going to waste time taking my trolling of your trolling seriously?

[pisskop]

Im a JoaT

[Ricastle]

I never pretended it never existed but I never really pushed it as a case either so *shrug*

That's not the point I'm making. You didn't push it as a case, but you DID push it. That is all that matters here.

I thought it was me who brought that up?

You brought up the kill in an attempt to ascertain information from it. Shiro merely gave some general reasoning behind the kill. It's different.