Open 609: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Alchemist21]

Re: Bella.
The tonality in her latest posts seems like she's just being misunderstood, notice how she keeps mentioning she's not reading the thread correctly, for example when it came up about the thing where she thought i was role fishing and after this came up then she corrected herself, in addition she decided to re-read me, i think scum would've continued pushing... maybe.

I'll keep this in mind, but I don't remember her making this many errors in reading in the Give Me a Clue game. To be fair, she was in a hydra, so maybe such errors were filtered out with her partner before getting to the game thread. I'll look back through the Elemental game I modded to see if there was anything similar there.

[Alchemist21]

1) There's a risk Lizard/Silver are a counterwagon to Bella and 2) the Lizard wagon's composition may not be as good as I originally thought.

1) This is true if Bella's scum instead of Lizard/Silver, but i don't think it's worth pursuing without actual flips.
2) So which votes on the Lizard wagon bother you? Or at least which ones dont?

When I get time I'll look back through the votes, but right now Toonami's on and AgK is on, so I'll be going.

[PantherPunt]

@Panther, what is it about TTH you find scummy? You said you had a bad feeling about her, and even looking back at your exchange I don't get why you're voting her.

@Alch - why do you read TTH as town?

[Shiro]

Luna if you have a question just ask do not passivly state it .

Yea I wouldn't mind bella dying which is why I left the vote there even though I kind of prefered lizard or sparow. THEN Lizard came with her post against ika and how he should replace if he is not interested in the game. Panth puts some point onm the table. I try to push some questions.

Lizard is bored of the game she wanted other to be engaged and replace out if not and replaces out.
^This for me is scummy

[Luna Fox]

What do you mean by passively stating a question?

[Shiro]

What do you mean by passively stating a question?

Votecount 1.08

Bellaphant - 4 -

Shiro

,

ika

, Alchemist21, Sparrowbird
Luna Fox- 2 - Flow Alpha, Bellaphant
Lizard_Buttock - 1 - Firebringer
Sparrowbird - 1 -

Luna Fox

TellTaleHeart - 1 - PantherPunt
Shiro - 1 - MaxwellPuckett
Vedith - 1 - Lizard_Buttock

Not Voting:

TellTaleHeart

,

Vedith

Deadline: (expired on 2015-09-19 23:45:33)

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

I'm striking the posts that went towards the Lizard wagon as of that VC, also from all those.
Shiro, ika, me and TTH are common between both when the Bella wagon was the largest.
Shiro's a replacement, so her movement could just be different reads, but she said she wouldn't mind if Bella died on her first content post.
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I'm still coming up with a blank on whether this means anything im just gathering data and idk what to do with it, because idk how to analyze wagon movement.

I took this post as passivly asking me about the vote change. Instead of directly asking me about it. Eh I could be wrong though and misinterpretated you

[Vedith]

Vedith is probably also scum. It's more of what's lacking in his ISO as opposed to what's there. He just stays on the sidelines and offers null comments and a good chunk of his content is fluff.

Vedith wrote:
Add me on that list and you're set!

This is more concerned with being added to a townbloc than meaningfully contributing to it.

Vedith wrote:
You should have more than just some concern. However, making that statement without any questions or without any follow up, what are you trying to gain?"

You say that the suspicion is both reasonable while also using that as a reason to omgus him. And then you change your story to saying it wasn't "actual buddying." Not buying it.

And then there are posts like this:

Vedith wrote:
That's just lazy.
Vedith wrote:
Anything that FB says never makes sense.


where he doesn't really try to sort alignments at all but comments on more neutral things.

Weakest scum entrance I've seen...

Tell me, what's your reads on everyone?

[Luna Fox]

I took this post as passivly asking me about the vote change. Instead of directly asking me about it. Eh I could be wrong though and misinterpretated you

I wasn't asking you, I was interpreting your posts about the change since Alch was worried about the wagon momentum shift.

[MaxwellPuckett]

I want to say again, you made no claim and you were at L-1.
Highly suspicious no matter how good your re-entrance and catch up is.

^
This destroys my townread on Fire.
Seems like you're more interested in the claim, than in the slot's reads and thoughts.

I can't be interested in both?

Also if I remember right you had me at Null or something. When did it switch to town?

You can be interested in both, but you don't claim unless someone declares intent to hammer. Nobody did, we wanted to hear from the replacement first. You, however.. well, see 510.

Vedith is probably also scum. It's more of what's lacking in his ISO as opposed to what's there. He just stays on the sidelines and offers null comments and a good chunk of his content is fluff.

Vedith wrote:
Add me on that list and you're set!

This is more concerned with being added to a townbloc than meaningfully contributing to it.

Vedith wrote:
You should have more than just some concern. However, making that statement without any questions or without any follow up, what are you trying to gain?"

You say that the suspicion is both reasonable while also using that as a reason to omgus him. And then you change your story to saying it wasn't "actual buddying." Not buying it.

And then there are posts like this:

Vedith wrote:
That's just lazy.
Vedith wrote:
Anything that FB says never makes sense.


where he doesn't really try to sort alignments at all but comments on more neutral things.

Weakest scum entrance I've seen...

Tell me, what's your reads on everyone?

Vedith, all you've quoted from silver's post are the points concerning you, where he gives his opinion on your slot, without misrepresenting you at all (as far as I can see). And then you call it a weak scum entrance. And THEN you ask for his reads, when he already gave all of them... in that very post. But in the part you cut out, so maybe you didn't see them? c:

[Vedith]

Fair point, I didn't bother reading the Bella response.

[Firebringer]

I still want a claim.

[Bellaphant]

@Luna, Panth, Ika - thoughts on Sparrow?

@mod, FA hasn't posted in more than 3 days. Ika needs a prod too

[Luna Fox]

thoughts on Sparrow?

Still nullish scum.

[ika]

ive been working bella

[Bellaphant]

(ika, ika, have you seem the scummer dex?? - also, thoughts on sparrow?)

[Prolapsed Brain]

@Luna, Panth, Ika - thoughts on Sparrow?

@mod, FA hasn't posted in more than 3 days. Ika needs a prod too

Flow Alpha was prodded Saturday morning, and has approximately 15 hours to post before replacement.

[Luna Fox]

So where did the rest of the people go?

[Alchemist21]

@Panther, what is it about TTH you find scummy? You said you had a bad feeling about her, and even looking back at your exchange I don't get why you're voting her.

@Alch - why do you read TTH as town?

Generally, she's seeing a lot of the same things I'm seeing, and I take that to be a pretty good sign. I haven't seen much from the slot I would consider scummy.

[Alchemist21]

Looking back over the votes on Lizard, I can't see any votes that I find scummy. There are some sheeps and vote hops, but I can see why they all did it. I'm still not too comfrotable with the speed of the wagon, but as it is that seems to be a fluke produced by the above two conditions and I don't think it's a scumdriven wagon (it's possible scum are content to see this wagon pushed to a lynch by Townies).

We have 5 days left, so we should start finalizing the Day's lynch. Personally, I think I could compromise on SilverJaws, but strongly prefer a Bella or Sparrow lynch.

@people who think lynching the Lizard/Silver slot will give us more information than a Sparrow lynch, specifically what info do you think it will give us?

[Luna Fox]

but strongly prefer a Bella or Sparrow lynch.

What do you think of Bella's question then, since you're scumreading both? here:

@Luna, Panth, Ika - thoughts on Sparrow?

[Alchemist21]

but strongly prefer a Bella or Sparrow lynch.

What do you think of Bella's question then, since you're scumreading both? here:

@Luna, Panth, Ika - thoughts on Sparrow?

It's a simple question that's simply null.

[Luna Fox]

It's a simple question that's simply null.

Yeah, but since you're scumreading both, do you think she's trying to drive a compromise lynch on her buddy?

[Luna Fox]

Also don't forget about sparrow randomly putting Bella at L-1, with no signs of a counterwagon.

[Alchemist21]

It's a simple question that's simply null.

Yeah, but since you're scumreading both, do you think she's trying to drive a compromise lynch on her buddy?

It's not impossible. It could also be her asking for others' opinions of her scumbuddy to try and form better arguments against his lynch.

P-edit: That could easily be bussing. If a partner looks like they're going down they could have just voted there to look better. It could have also been a tactic to try and scare people away from the wagon (and in fact some people did leave the wagon after the vote). I've tried a similar tactic as scum before, but failed at it.

[Luna Fox]

Normally when a wagon builds and there's no counter wagon is a good indication that the target is town.
Scum usually try to derail lynches from scumbuddies onto other townies.
Busing is overrated.
Either way if you ask me, of the 3 possible lynch candidates thus offered: Bella, Sparrow and Silver. Bella's a townread, Silver's a null read, Sparrow's a scumread. So I rather lynch Sparrow.

Vote: Sparrow