NY 189 - Flower Viewing Festival [~fin~]

[Sakura Hana]

i am setting up scumputer input, tn51424 got speedlynched, was this a cop guilty or something?

There was a track guilty (mine) on Firebringer.
There was a case on tn.

Why are you still alive?

Probably because claimed masons are dying?
That's a good point tho, if scum had shot me i wouldn't have died anyway, which is why i didnt want to reveal this beforehand.

[DrippingGoofball]

There is a very aggressive, virtually non-bus'ing scumteam at work in this game.

[DrippingGoofball]

Probably because claimed masons are dying?
That's a good point tho, if scum had shot me i wouldn't have died anyway, which is why i didnt want to reveal this beforehand.

What, what and what???

[Sakura Hana]

All of the people that have died after my claim have claimed Masons in the thread.
One of my JOAT abilities is 1-shot BP, i've also claimed a 1-shot Track (Night 3 > firebringer towards shiro) and 1-shot RB (Night 4 on Shazam)

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't see a missing kill. I have a hard time believing that you have a passive BP mixed in with two active abilities. Claim all your targets now. It's Day 7. You have 6 nights to account for.

From most suspicious to least

9 Sakura Hana

8

+ bus'ed by Firebringer

Spiffeh

5 Echo
5 Shazam
4 Shiro
4 Axle

[DrippingGoofball]

We have TWO DEAD GOONS.

The remaining scum has powerz.

[Sakura Hana]

That's actually all my abilities.
I said if i was shot i wouldn't have died, so obviously scum hasn't been shooting me.
This is why I was worried that Sala might have shot me before.

[Sakura Hana]

Do you seriously believe i would claim a track on firebringer when everyone was thinking he's town on that day. Seriously.

[Sakura Hana]

Well not everyone, but after a while people left him alone, so i claimed the track so he wouldn't get away with it.

[Sakura Hana]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2650 You should probably read what happened on that day.

[DrippingGoofball]

That's actually all my abilities.
I said if i was shot i wouldn't have died, so obviously scum hasn't been shooting me.
This is why I was worried that Sala might have shot me before.

Do you have to activate the 1-shot BP?

[Sakura Hana]

So I'm looking at our options here.
If we assume that Echo claimed Mason to out ika then Echo's scum.
ika also didn't want us to deviate from sala's townbloc, that would make Echo town and would make Shazam the next in the lynch pool.
Also if we assume Echo town that means there's 2 scum in Axle/Spiffeh/DGB/Shazam

Axle has been the only one i've seen here actually following the game along and trying to solve it, he's the person i think is the most town out of those 4.
I want to know what he thinks about DGB since i think he thought frog was scum at some point?

[Sakura Hana]

Do you have to activate the 1-shot BP?

Not really, it says the first night i would be targeted for a kill i dont die that night.

[DrippingGoofball]

All of the people that have died after my claim have claimed Masons in the thread.
One of my JOAT abilities is 1-shot BP, i've also claimed a 1-shot Track (Night 3 > firebringer towards shiro) and 1-shot RB (Night 4 on Shazam)

If you have 3 abilities, why did you use 2 of them them on nights

3 & 4

??????

[Sakura Hana]

If you have 3 abilities, why did you use 2 of them them on nights 3 & 4??????

Look at the abilities i have.
They both me require to target the scum making the kill.
There's a crapton of players and i didn't want to risk it on the first nights to come empty handed.

[DrippingGoofball]

If you have 3 abilities, why did you use 2 of them them on nights 3 & 4??????

Look at the abilities i have.
They both me require to target the scum making the kill.
There's a crapton of players and i didn't want to risk it on the first nights to come empty handed.

No, you could have targeted a townie making an action, too.

[AxleGreaser]

There was also an ika mason counterclaim to Echo yesterday, but ika never pursued echo since ika was townreading echo.

Er that would be specifically untrue

skakura im going to be direct here and try to say it in a nice format. cus the post kinda irks me ina bad manner

shazam and dave are my top 2 scum reads. echo is the final if it doesnt end between those 2.

[AxleGreaser]

So I'm looking at our options here.
If we assume that Echo claimed Mason to out ika then Echo's scum.
ika also didn't want us to deviate from sala's townbloc, that would make Echo town and would make Shazam the next in the lynch pool.
Also if we assume Echo town that means there's 2 scum in Axle/Spiffeh/DGB/Shazam

Axle has been the only one i've seen here actually following the game along and trying to solve it, he's the person i think is the most town out of those 4.
I want to know what he thinks about DGB since i think he thought frog was scum at some point?

As pointed out Ika was scum reading Echo recently.

Echo did soft CC, mason here 3301, but IKa went along with it, assuming it might be echo having worked out ika was the mason and was drawing the kill. (see 3347)

However Echo also voted Ika late yesterday

VOTE: ika

@EchoEcho please explain your vote on ika yesterday

[AxleGreaser]

@TOWN

VLA

I will be going VLA thurs afternoon My time +10.
Its tues morn, we have 48 + 8hrs to get this done.

I will have zero access from then until on Oct 3.

[Sakura Hana]

Er that would be specifically untrue

Hmm i guess i remembered wrong then.
Why didnt he vote Echo yesterday... I remember specifically asking and he said something about Echo wanting to eat a bullet for him.

[AxleGreaser]

@DGB (this is a little chronological as you were not here)

All of the people that have died after my claim have claimed Masons in the thread.
One of my JOAT abilities is 1-shot BP, i've also claimed a 1-shot Track (Night 3 > firebringer towards shiro) and 1-shot RB (Night 4 on Shazam)

If you have 3 abilities, why did you use 2 of them them on nights

3 & 4

??????

The track by Sakura on Fire is a little odd.
Indeed the whole day is, especially if you start wondering if Sakura can be scum.

It started with Sakura scum reading, fire using this 2130 (thats a pretty large determined bussing attempt.)

Sala (a flipped 2 shot vig) claimed a second shot on Fire. link

(If sakura was scum planning to bus, that(Sala) will take most of the town credit for getting scum lynched.)

Fire claims 1 shot bullet proof http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7213422

Echo imposes himself on the thread, 2188 and drives a counter wagon on Pisskop 2189
with the claim that this

does commuter trump asshole sala? serious Q

was Pisskop seriously claiming commuter. (Its true piss didnt disavow the claim when it got mumbled about several times)

Having stopped(chainsawed) the Fire wagon on the basis of Salas vig shot.

Sakura, goes back to pushing the lynch. Fails to get traction.
(at this point in time I(Axle) had just voted fire as second vote on the wagon.
Sakura does this

Is this the part where i say that fire targeted shiro last night?

Which is a kinda soft claim. For someone with very very red check.

WHy is it so red?

Well Fire claimed BP. How can Fire be both a BP and visit someone?
So sakura has known ever since fire claimed BP that sakura had a100% red check track on scum.

The play between then and now, is alittle hard to line up with a towny having that knowledge.

I could even wonder about the if instead of when in this statement.

If Fire flips scum, then Frogger's scum with Fire.

During that time, after the aborted wagon on fire due to Salas shot, while Sakura had a red check on Fire
Sakura did this

ok

Vote: Pisskop
Proxying my vote to Salamence.

bearing in mind that

pisskop (5) -

Firebringer

, Davsto, Salamence20, Fro99er, Sakura Hana

While sakura was sheeping the Vig, she was also voting the wagon that was counter wagon to what Sakura knew was certain scum.
Seems a little odd.

[AxleGreaser]

Er that would be specifically untrue

Hmm i guess i remembered wrong then.
Why didnt he vote Echo yesterday... I remember specifically asking and he said something about Echo wanting to eat a bullet for him.

Actually screw thinking, supposed town mason ika would be voting supposed scum suspect Echo who had claimed Mason when it's ika's role.

Vote: ika

yeah it has been a while.

Ika did not counter claim Echo as it made sense that Echo might be trying to draw the nk by softing mason.

However when Echo voted Ika... Ika spat the dummy. Echo voting Ika makes no sense as a towny trying to draw the nk of the mason.

As a scum play, what Echo's play lines up with is scum keen to draw the explicit claim from Ika. So they can nk him.

I dont have any towny explanation for Echos play.

[AxleGreaser]

@Thread

.

I would like to have time to play this out differently(slower) but i dont have time.
So here it is.

I have been thinking rather lot overnight, and reconsidering my reads rather a lot.

Shazam: I find a significant amount of town read on Shazam from the early game, I had talked myself out of believing it while I looked for 3 scum. (my read on Shazam is much weaker)

Fro99er: I tried really hard, and I can now imagine a town Fro99er. (So DGB, yeah i have had very strong scum read on your slot. Today is new day. Also stuff i had been thinking doesnt make as much sense with 2 scum.)

Echo Echo: My scum read on Echo Echo has grown significantly. (TLDR: Echo Echo did NOT drive the TN wagon he flopped around on it near the start and voted early. He did however drive the Flubber Pisskpop wagons. don't recall from memory how hard he pushed for davsto.)

Sakura: As mentioned above for Sakura to be Echo echos buddy would be hard.

Spiffeh: Just an ordinary town read. Unless someone can make scum case I believe.

[AxleGreaser]

TLDR: If I had to vote one person right now. It would be Echo echo.
Why?
I dont actually have a rational case yet, but it feels right.

[AxleGreaser]

We have TWO DEAD GOONS.

The remaining scum has powerz.

One of the flipped goons survived a claimed nk from a flipped 2 shot town Vig.
So doctor. +?

Scary(and bad?) would be if the had a scum vig shot up their sleeve. (but dont trust me on spec as far as you can throw me.)