Newbie 1656 : Game Over

[Ether]

...Have you actually read this page?

[lordj210]

I'm specifically playing differently out of all my games, how GM has a townread on me from meta is beyond me.
VOTE: GM

why do things diffferant in this 1 game fro the others??

[lordj210]

Yeah, in NY180-GM read me as town when I was scum. In NY188-she scumread me and I was town. We played together in another game where we were both town but I was already an outed mason and confirmed town after my partner died.

so her ability to read you is not good and so far has not read you correctly in the past 2 games so shall we assume that whatever she reads you as here is also wrong?

[goodmorning]

She's handing out easy townreads to Sakura based on weak meta which she has said before she doesn't like to use unless it's recent stuff she's had recent experience with.

I don't remember anything like this. I don't like cold meta, but old meta works fine for me. I've played with Sakura often enough for that.

Then she null's me who is also someone she's played in several games with including a recent town game-she scumread me hard there and a scum game-she townread me hard there.

Which is a large part of the reason I'm nullreading you now.

I also don't like how she immediately questioned lordj on her town read on me and told her effort is not indicative of alignment.

Or, weirdly, it's my biggest pet peeve, as the thing I decided to include in my signature which is appended to literally every single one of my posts and yet still people make silly arguments?

Wait GM is meta townreading me?

A bit, yeah.

I'm specifically playing differently out of all my games, how GM has a townread on me from meta is beyond me.

Some things are easy to change, some things aren't.

[goodmorning]

(With that said, I didn't know that she already has a history of misreading SilverWolf. Could both of you elaborate on that?)

Thus far, I'm pretty bad at reading Silver, except in our first game together where we (iirc) PR crumbed at each other which made it easy. That's pretty much it? What more elabouration do you want?

How do I search someone's post-history for just this thread?

You hit the ISO button next to the post #. Or you can go to the scroll menu at the bottom of the thread and pick a person. Or you can go to the bottom right, hit 'Activity Overview,' and click on the person's # of posts.

As for cases, just make them. Practice makes perfect, and if you never make a case then you'll never get better.

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Is it weird that I kind of like that Mandarin post? Because I kind of like it.
In a lot of ways it's kind of insufficient given his inactivity, but the no-fucks-given feeling coupled with the many-fucks-given crippling newbishness works?

But the explanation is right thereeee

Unless you can convince me that your nonchalance regarding argumentation for reads is true my vote stands. I for one don't think it's healthy for town to accept 'gut' and the like as valid reasoning so I don't think you're town atm.

Gut is a valid part of site meta, and as long as you're not using it on like D3 it's a perfectly acceptable explanation as far as I'm concerned.
I don't really care whether you think it's healthy!

...Have you actually read this page?

This made me laugh a bit.

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lordj's recent posts... are kind of better? Am I just enjoying the undertone of sass though?

[Ether]

vote: Sakura Hana

.:theatrics:.

[OceanWind]

My internet is spotty so catchup will have to wait till tomorrow.

[LoHa]

Some things are easy to change, some things aren't.

Like what?

[Sakura Hana]

vote: Sakura Hana

.:theatrics:.

Now this is just golden, why vote me instead of helping me bus GM if you're scumreading us both? Or...

Are you afraid to bus?

And im pretty sure this vote was totally not triggered by a certain VCA threat performed by someone last page, nope not at all.

[Ether]

That threat was like custom-made to be everything I don't care about.

Nearly everything I buy about the goodmorning case also reflects badly on you. In the end, I think you're scum and she's likely to be your scumbuddy, not the other way around. So I'll push this route even if it's a little less convenient.

[Sakura Hana]

So from your PoV:
I'm scum because everyone's townreading me and im supposed to be scumread when im town.
Goodmorning is townreading me so she's my buddy.
BUT
I already mentioned im not playing like i usually do.
SO Goodmorning's meta assesment of me is wrong.

What would your read on goodmorning be if i flip town and if the answer is town then i accept your vote, if the answer is scum, your vote makes no sense.

[Ether]

You're scum because you aren't scumhunting, your reads make no sense and you have literally admitted that your play is closer to your scum meta. (And goodmorning and OceanWind are the only people who are outright townreading you, as far as I know. Everyone else was null.) You can flanderize that all you want, but your own first response doesn't really convince me that you think I'm wrong.

Goodmorning's read on you from a Page 1 post doesn't make sense, but again, it reflects almost as badly on you, and that's on top of every other problem I have with you. I'm not really sold on most of the rest of the case on goodmorning--I'd probably still be going after LoHa myself if it weren't for this, and the double standard with SilverWolf makes more sense if she's been burned by her in the past.

If you did flip town, I don't think I would follow up by attacking goodmorning. You can try to convince me otherwise, but to change my mind you'd need to interrogate her, not just me.

[SilverWolf]

She's handing out easy townreads to Sakura based on weak meta which she has said before she doesn't like to use unless it's recent stuff she's had recent experience with.

I don't remember anything like this. I don't like cold meta, but old meta works fine for me. I've played with Sakura often enough for that.

What's the difference between cold meta and old meta?

Then she null's me who is also someone she's played in several games with including a recent town game-she scumread me hard there and a scum game-she townread me hard there.

Which is a large part of the reason I'm nullreading you now.

You didn't say this when I first brought the null read up though. You only mentioned it when I brought up that you didn't read me well in our last two games. It makes me paranoid that you are kind of not dealing with me this game regarding trying to figure me out. I get that it's only D1 and there's time for this yet but I can see you as scum trying to sideline me in some way only due to our recent experience together.

I also don't like how she immediately questioned lordj on her town read on me and told her effort is not indicative of alignment.

Or, weirdly, it's my biggest pet peeve, as the thing I decided to include in my signature which is appended to literally every single one of my posts and yet still people make silly arguments?

No, the argument is you questioned why she was townreading me but didn't question anyone else's reads in the same way. Oh wait, I think Sakura said I was town and you didn't question that. Why are you avoiding her this game?

You could tell us what the similarities in play that Sakura is displaying here and how she plays town in other games that causes you to read her as town. Your read on her doesn't make sense if she's someone who changes her play and you don't like cold meta and I see almost no effort from you to engage her at all.

[SilverWolf]

Yeah, in NY180-GM read me as town when I was scum. In NY188-she scumread me and I was town. We played together in another game where we were both town but I was already an outed mason and confirmed town after my partner died.

so her ability to read you is not good and so far has not read you correctly in the past 2 games so shall we assume that whatever she reads you as here is also wrong?

Look at how she lays it out. How someone reads others is a good way to figure out the motivation in what they are doing in a game.

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As a side note, I kind of like Mighty Mandarin's last post for newbtown but there just isn't enough activity here to say town for sure. OceanWave needs to post more. LoHa is just confusing to me. I have this feeling lordj isn't scum but it's mild. Not sure about GM or Sakura. Ether still seems town enough-actively scumhunting. MoosyDoosy seemed town with the LoHa push but does need to do more than that.

I'll have to re-look at a few things when I have time.

[Nobody Special]

MoosyDoosy has been prodded.

[Ether]

Hey, SilverWolf. Any chance we could do a Sakura wagon instead?

I don't miiiiiiiind lynching goodmorning, but this is better.

[SilverWolf]

Sure, I'm o.k. with that.

VOTE: Sakura

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah im tooootally not sucmhunting, guess a little bird told me that GM is scum and after attacking her i receive the most obvious chainsaw defense ever, but nope totally not scumhunting.

[Sakura Hana]

Inb4 i still get ML'd after such an obvious chainsaw.

[Ether]

I don't really believe that you think I'm scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm specifically playing differently out of all my games, how GM has a townread on me from meta is beyond me.
VOTE: GM

from this to:

I don't want to clearly spell out what I do and don't expect from your play, sorry. I could be missing things and I'm not claiming to be the high authority on the subject. The people who've actually played with you probably have better; SilverWolf's advice would be nice to have.

But aside from that, your response was literally "Yeah, you're right, I've barely been scumhunting and my play is closer to my scumgame." I don't really know what you want from me!

This all does reflect badly on goodmorning, so there's that.

To this:

Then you should probably vote her with me.

Then this excuse:

Eh, I'm kind of liking this voteless thing. The part of my brain that tells me when to vote says it wouldn't be theatrical enough.

Then this?:

vote: Sakura Hana

.:theatrics:.

Like how you even go from "Sakura and GM are scum" to "Don't want to vote GM" to "Let's vote Sakura"

[Sakura Hana]

I don't really believe that you think I'm scum.

Well i dont really believe you think im scum either, because you're pushing a ML here, meanwhile im voting scum, while you aren't

[Sakura Hana]

Ether's obviously distancing from GM, and when offered to vote her she votes me instead after i had voted GM.
If that's not a chainsaw i don't know what is.

[SilverWolf]

UNVOTE:

OK, Let me think about this.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess in the end i ended up going back to my aggro playstyle, ah well.