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[EspeciallyTheLies]

i'm here if people wish to bug me. midterms are over and my projects are in. i'm in idgaf-mode. upset about my hydra partner and other Ess.

here's where i was last time i cared

Town
{massive, hecatia, ank, vedith}

people I thought were town but now i'm not so sure
{farside, davsto, thor}

scum
{pistachi0n, cataphant, maybe nacho}

[farside22]

can we please lynch pistachio now

Talk to Thor he thinks Pist is town for some reason.

[Antihero]

Let's marshal the facts over a pipeful of Baker Street shag.

The Lady Vanishes

Vote Count 2.6

Cataphant - 3 (Thor665, Vedith, Nachomamma8)
Davsto - 1 (Ankamius)
Nachomamma8 - 3 (pistachi0n, Hecatia Lapislazuli, farside22)
pistachi0n - 3 (Cataphant, EspeciallyTheLies, Davsto)

Not Voting: massive

6 to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2015-11-04 17:52:11)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

can we please lynch pistachio now

Talk to Thor he thinks Pist is town for some reason.

i know. he's been sticking his neck out super far to save pistachio and it's weird AF.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Nachomamma8 - 3 (pistachi0n, Hecatia Lapislazuli, farside22)

^ i don't understand why this wagon exists? i mean, yeah he's a suspect but we have a night result that says he was jailed.

[Thor665]

Dunno, with all the Smurf i took Day 1 when i was actually putting effort, why should i even bother, my role being outed is borderline useless and i've been bored ever since then.

~Sakura

Replace out or play the game - those are your two options.

He wouldn't know, unless he was investigative in which case he'd get no result. Please keep this in mind when he claims.

Also I don't get the scum read on them

You could basically take your case on Pistach and replace Ctaphant's name into it and have a perfectly legit case on Cataphant, or at least as perfectly legit as the one you have on Pistach.

What's not to grok about the issue with the slot?
You find him to be a scumhunting pro-town dynaball right now?
I mean, obviously you don't - but if you have issues with sloppy play, lurking, and not being proactive...well, here's a slot doing that.
He also voted on a town lynch wagon, so that's a plus with me.

But it reads like Cataphant is completely ignoring the possibility that Thor could just be white-knighting a town Pistachi0n. Basically -- when I read Cataphant's posts, I expect them to be voting for Thor based on their posts, but they continue to push Pistachi0n, which makes no sense to me.

He also has ducked explaining shoddy reasoning when directly asked about it.
Twice.

i know. he's been sticking his neck out super far to save pistachio and it's weird AF.

I am not even remotely sticking my neck out for Pistach - and if I am then Farside is doing twice as much for Cataphant, so even if that does bug you why aren't you also poking at Farside for his defense?

How am I sticking my neck out for Pistach in a way that is beyond what other people are doing?
Like, as far as I can tell I'm just claiming that I see him scumhunting, pushing things, and don't particularly scumread him, and also apply a town lean to him.
Apparently Farside has reversed on Pista enough to switch to Nacho (something he apparently forgets while bemoaning to you that we're not lynching Pistach) and that's not weird to either of you.
So, seriously, what the hell are you even talking about here?

[Thor665]

I'm actually down with the idea of lynching Hecatia now.

[Thor665]

Farside is also probably back to a scum lean - reading that last comment is just skeevy.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I am not even remotely sticking my neck out for Pistach - and if I am then Farside is doing twice as much for Cataphant, so even if that does bug you why aren't you also poking at Farside for his defense?

How am I sticking my neck out for Pistach in a way that is beyond what other people are doing?

Everytime someone starts a case on pistachio, you chime in and try to diffuse the suspicion. it's something I've noticed and it's weird, and obviously you've done it more than farside because I haven't noticed farside re: cataphant, but i HAVE noticed you.

Like, as far as I can tell I'm just claiming that I see him scumhunting, pushing things, and don't particularly scumread him, and also apply a town lean to him.
Apparently Farside has reversed on Pista enough to switch to Nacho (something he apparently forgets while bemoaning to you that we're not lynching Pistach) and that's not weird to either of you.

it is weird.

So, seriously, what the hell are you even talking about here?

how is it that you can discuss exactly what i'm talking about and then ask what i'm talking about...

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I'm actually down with the idea of lynching Hecatia now.

what the heck... thor.


what... the heck... are you even thinking? if you are town, i seriously cannot follow you.

[Thor665]

Everytime someone starts a case on pistachio, you chime in and try to diffuse the suspicion. it's something I've noticed and it's weird, and obviously you've done it more than farside because I haven't noticed farside re: cataphant, but i HAVE noticed you.

To the best of my awareness I have done it once - when Farside presented his case on Pistach, which is, to my awareness, the only case on Pistach that has been offered.
Farside also chimed in at the same time in defense of Cataphant.
What elements am I forgetting in the history of my Pistach defense?

it is weird.

I am glad you acknowledge it.

how is it that you can discuss exactly what i'm talking about and then ask what i'm talking about...

The line you quoted there was a restatement of my position that your stance and commentary make zero sense and an offer for you to back it up with supporting evidence to your beliefs.

what... the heck... are you even thinking? if you are town, i seriously cannot follow you.

Her last post was *literally* scum 101 for claim coasting and Hecatiascum 101 for avoiding dealing with continued effort for providing town emotional tells.
What are you talking about?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Hecatia is town.

[Thor665]

Okay.

Since I'm not currently voting her - I don't really care about your value call there unless you wish to explain why her play falls in line with being town.
So you can make this a useful conversation or we can drop it - you appear to be taking it nowhere.

Vote Cataphant?

[Thor665]

To the best of my awareness I have done it once - when Farside presented his case on Pistach, which is, to my awareness, the only case on Pistach that has been offered.
Farside also chimed in at the same time in defense of Cataphant.
What elements am I forgetting in the history of my Pistach defense?

Also, I note you dropped this.
Shall I interpret that as taict agreement with my understanding of reality?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Okay.

Since I'm not currently voting her - I don't really care about your value call there unless you wish to explain why her play falls in line with being town.
So you can make this a useful conversation or we can drop it - you appear to be taking it nowhere.

Vote Cataphant?

eh. i'd really rather pistachio go first.

if cataphant goes though, and flips town? you are most certainly scum and i will not stop until you are dead.

To the best of my awareness I have done it once - when Farside presented his case on Pistach, which is, to my awareness, the only case on Pistach that has been offered.
Farside also chimed in at the same time in defense of Cataphant.
What elements am I forgetting in the history of my Pistach defense?

Also, I note you dropped this.
Shall I interpret that as taict agreement with my understanding of reality?

No. You can interpret it as "ETL had to leave work to go to class and didn't have time to comb through Thor's ISO to find all the tidbits that came in defense of pistachio."

[Thor665]

eh. i'd really rather pistachio go first.

if cataphant goes though, and flips town? you are most certainly scum and i will not stop until you are dead.[/quotte]
By that logic you're scum if Pistach is town.
Don't spew derp at me, really now.

No. You can interpret it as "ETL had to leave work to go to class and didn't have time to comb through Thor's ISO to find all the tidbits that came in defense of pistachio."

"Because there isn't really all that much there, so why in the world are you acting like my level of defense is beyond what it actually is?"

[Thor665]

eh. i'd really rather pistachio go first.

if cataphant goes though, and flips town? you are most certainly scum and i will not stop until you are dead.

By that logic you're scum if Pistach is town.
Don't spew derp at me, really now.

No. You can interpret it as "ETL had to leave work to go to class and didn't have time to comb through Thor's ISO to find all the tidbits that came in defense of pistachio."

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"Because there isn't really all that much there, so why in the world are you acting like my level of defense is beyond what it actually is?"

[Thor665]

scum
{pistachi0n, cataphant

[Thor665]

Maybe you're also scum if Cat flips town.
Did I not get the scum QT link or something?

[Nachomamma8]

Also I don't get the scum read on them

Do you remember any major pushes they've made this game and why they made them?
In particular, their Pistachi0n push. What do you think of their most recent reasoning?

Did you feel it was discrediting? You have the benefit of reading it after it happened, so I'm curious of your answer.

It was discrediting. Dave gave an opinion, ETL scoffed at him and fed him sarcasm. What else would you call that?

Because I think farside should have an idea of which way she thinks you lean, and I wanted to see if her "null on Nacho" read had any legitimacy.

Her argument was that my play this game has largely been null.
You asked if she was comfortable with my alignment before.
She said rarely, and then said that she had been fooled a lot.

What is her angle here if scum?
What you're implying in hunting for a contradiction here is that she's lying, and thus scum - but why would farside lie as scum about past experience with me?

It seems like Cataphant has a somewhat-decent case against Thor

Can you talk about this more?
What are Cataphant's good points against Thor?

[Nachomamma8]

here's where i was last time i cared

Why is massive in your top town tier?

Nachomamma8 - 3 (pistachi0n, Hecatia Lapislazuli, farside22)

^ i don't understand why this wagon exists? i mean, yeah he's a suspect but we have a night result that says he was jailed.

A suspect getting jailed with a full scumteam alive shouldn't dissuade too many people.

I'm actually down with the idea of lynching Hecatia now.

Why?

I haven't noticed Thor defending Pistach excessively.

[Thor665]

Why?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p7338420
Don't skim.

[Thor665]

I got fascinated by this "sticking my neck out concept.

I am going to call both Farside and ETL out for basicallly lying or derping.
To help them out I present my vast array of hardcore Pistach defense - they can feel free to let me know when I crossed the line and stuck out my neck.

Spoiler: Thor's Pistach Defense Walls

I'm not really feeling Pistach as a wagon - do you have even a null feel towards Ank?

Why is Pist a town read?

Look at the few posts prior - is attacking, but isn't mindless dogged attacking. Looks legit and town scumhunting to me even though he could have sunk teeth in and derped on one of those wagons.

Why, what did you see there?

I don't like how quickly it grew.

What the hell about its speed was *remotely* suspect?

it started up from three players who had all expressed issue with LC for days and days all realizing their current pushes weren't going anywhere and changing to LC, then was supported by Nacho (who doesn't seem like a shocker to sheep me, and also listed issues with Cat), Hecatia (who may be suvivalism wagonig, maybe...?) and Cataphant (who hopped off almost immediately again)

And you want to wagon Pistach - who had nothing to do with it.

Whut?

That said, i am actually okay with the Pistach push, even though I don't understand the case there, but I'm supportive of the LC push.

If I were to make an assumption on who scum was if they chose a Wingback kill for suspect reasons, I'd lean Cataphant or Concrete Angels.

You're voting Pistach though - so...?

Besides not really scum hunting. Asking pointless questions and just actively lurking.

I can see with a squint not thinking he's scumhunting well and that his questions are pointless. I disagree and consider it more of a playstyle thing, but I can see where you're coming from there.
How are you justifying active lurk on him though?
Like, even just glancing at what he's posted this phase I do not even see that remotely supported as a concept. Clarify?

It is basically 80% of every time I mentioned Pistach outside of my early noting them as a town read and an additional two or three posts trying to debate whether or not she was active lurking and why with Farside (a debate he is basically side hopping - and then dropped the case on).

So, yeah.

[Thor665]

I will even fully agree with this statement;

"Thor is defending Pistach more than anyone else in the thread...albeit mostly by just not scumreading the slot and asking people why they do"

But I don't think that should actually make people suspect of me if they also suspect Pistach. It would make sense to call that WK action, but...no one is.

[Nachomamma8]

don't be angry with me, i was hoping you could go more in-depth :[

more specifically, why is Hecatia's post scum 101 for coasting (and is farside & davesto scum for doing the exact same things?), and where have you seen Sakura provide a bunch of town emotional tell as scum and then play "I don't care about this game anymore"?