Tarot uPick II - GAME OVER

[Vedith]

Can I go? I mean, most of mine is already out there anyway...

[ika]

I'm at work now so I can't pull up my role pm

[ika]

I already claimed my role so I don't get it

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Explain things like I'm a Oni just looking for a party to crash.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Claim three cards; their orientations, elements ()and element changes) active roles, passive roles, and what you DID each night. If you gained or lost a passive role, claim when that happened as well.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Looks like ika isn't going to claim
Next!

[Vedith]

Why does it need to be in order?

[Fluff Central]

Because confirmed town says so?

[Vedith]

Okay, let me re ask, what benefit will it give?

[Fluff Central]

Ika Zaru
Bacde
klingoncelt
Plot
Aj The Epic
kamigami
fluff central
Perpetual Nonsense
Vedith
Aneninem

It's set up so the probable mislynches are first, as if there are scum in the pool t hey can't fuck with their claims based off what those he finds more townie say, and ends with the people who have alraedy mostly claimed.

[Oil Tycoons]

So yeah, you really get to set me aside.

This is reassuring.

I'd prefer an Ika/PN/Bcade lynch today. I still believe the echo wagon that popped up was an easy counterwagon to a scum lynch (second time it's happened to that slot) and more using a confirmed town to push their lynch through.

You because Echo was town just because they were counterwagon to scum?
Echo was a counterwagon to both scum lynches because we were pushing them IIRC. It was also a counterwagon that Wisdom specifically wouldn't join either day.

None of Ika/Bacde/PN actually look like scum; Ika/PN in particular aren't flipping scum, but, now that I'm looking again at Bacde there is a possibility at least that he flips scum.

What a wonderful way to be wrong!

Ok, sorry for the snark posts earlier, but please please please, let's work together this time instead of just dismissing me like you did yesterday.

It was never my intention to dismiss you; I didn't have much time to put into last game day so most of my effort was put into talking about pisskop/Kuroko.

What do you think of the Kuroko slot?

[Oil Tycoons]

Yes, but Bacde is town by play so it doesn't particularly matter.

He would be town by play if he did anything beyond the push Anen day, but he really hasn't.

Yes. Since oil refuses to make an order i'll just be the confirmed town guy that does it instead.

hang tight.

[Kamigami]

Medea is town.

I will explain when it's my turn to full claim.

[Fluff Central]

I would just like to formally apologize for the trainwreck that iss the other members of fire PT.

[Vedith]

Awww, that's me as well then...

[Oil Tycoons]

WE know there are many scumreading US.

Please someone say you investigated US.

-Luigi

I'm not!

HE WHO IS IMMORTAL

please sanctify this thread with your blessing

please sanctify this thread with the massclaim order

Amen

Oh yeah, the guy who said wisdom and pisskop were flipping town and idiocy was flipping scum.
Good idea!

To be fair, I did say farside was going to flip town a few times yesterday. Pisskop was me really not wanting to be wrong and Wisdom was a complete surprise to me.

Come on Luna
You know Oil's readlist credibility was shot after the Wisdom (and Pisskop) flips
And They were the main reason WE are still alive

Syr's was. Nacho's kind of was.

Hi everyone! I'm the new echo. I'm not awake yet but the sun has risen at least.

I've been loosely following this game but I've only recently started having opinions about it and it was starting to bother me that nobody was talking about how Brantz was a mafia traitor in We Didn't Playtest This and everyone was saying "oh he just doesn't seem like the bussing type" when he bussed all of his buddies including poor bbmolla in 5p LYLO when Brantz couldn't win solo (and then the mod made us keep playing to see if there would be town win or everybody lose and everybody lost.)

This is what Brantz's ISO looked like (a day phase or two before he started bussing bbmolla):

BBmolla

: +260 +261 =274 =544 +782 =1035 =1568 +=3952 =5868 =6059
Has been positive towards BBmolla for most of the game, though I think he's neutral on him now.

Vonflare

: -95 +?311 -?525 -v782 -1040 -1155 -1330 -u2058 -2859 v-3952 -4267 -v5256 -5279 =5384 -5457

Vyse

: -260 -?782 -=1040 -1568 -1821 -v2058 -2859 =4267 =5063
Has been consistently negative towards vyse and vonflare with only a little positive very early on.

So that knowledge combined with this gives me an order of operations for ISOing people to get my head into the game.

Spoiler: Brantz's ISO in this game

brantz (final)

Aj The Epic

=1676 +1843 +2641

Aneninen

=1676 -?=1843 -2641 v2757 =

2902

=2905

Bacde/Konowa

==1676 +2641

Fluff Central/notsy/bins

==1676 ==2641

Ika Zaru/ika/mala

=1312 -==1676 -

1900

=1909 -v2641 -2644 -2654 =2656 =2662 +u2670

Kamigami/kagami/fakegod

=1676 +2641 =2745 =2912

Klingoncelt

==1676 -2641 -2757

Luna Fox

+1676 +1843 +2641 =2796

Medea the Alien/penguin/cabd

+290 ==1676 ==2641

Perpetual Nonsense/bert/gaiden

=1676 ==2641

Plotinus/Echo Echo/kuroko/pieguyn

-1676 -1687 +-1843 -1871 =1872 -2641 -2641 -2757

ProHawk

=1676 +-

1871

==2641

Vedith/Muki

=1676 -1871 -v2094 -2641 -2670

Wall of Fire/ceph/mastina

+-

1676

+1687 +2641

---

pisskop/LynxKuroneko

==1676 ==2641 =2656

Wisdom

+-

1676

-1687 +1843 =1871 =?1900 +?2094 ==2641 =2670 =2757

---

Idiocy/tiershift/farside

==1676 =1843 =1874 +2641

Oil Tycoons/Nacho/Syry

+290 +1676 +1687 +1843 +2641 +2662 +2664 =2745 +2757

Tammy

+290 +

1676

=1843 +2641

ZeL1nK2

-1312 -1676 ==1676 +1843 =2094 =2119 =2120 =+2641 =2662 =2923

It's rarely that simple but this gives me a good place to start from. Please give me a week or so to get up to speed before quicklynching anybody. The bolded are posts that I thought were important one way or another but I need to do more ISOing before I'll have an opinion one way or the other. I've done a couple already; I asked to replace in right after my last large finished a week or two ago but the games I was actually alive in were taking precedence of course.

This is a hell of a lot of work with very little conclusion. What was the point of the BRantz meta? Why did you mark posts as important if you don't actually have an opinion?

Btw im going to pronounce 4 people i believe to be confirmed town, take a wild guess at who i scanned:

Oil Tycoons
Medea
Prohawk
Bacde
Wall of Fire

Neither of these 4 should be in the first to claim or claim at all.

FTFY

Guys

we are fighting over unimportant things

lets sort out the important things

I thought we were waiting for the almighty with wrong reads to do something?

Why are you snark attacking? You ain't SKrew.

Also i still have some sort of niggling paranoia on kagami scum.

Go on.

I currently dont want to lynch Klingy on the grounds that as long as she lives it's entirely possible scum cant NK me without it making it look bad for her (we're both water so her doctor should work on me 100% of the time)

Uh, you realize she's a 2-shot, rite?

I know, i dont think i had a scumread on farside after i got my scumread on Wis, dunno what the heck OT was going on about.

Btw FG, could you please do a breakdown of your night actions (not necessarily the results?) i wanna see something.

N1 - we used our sane cop on WoF and learned they are aligned with town.

N2 - we used our role cop on AJ and learned that he is a miller.

N3 - we used our serum thing on ProHawk and got a result that indicates him being town.

Why not use the serum on Us?

Serum thing checks abilities.

So you uh, have a sane cop, a role cop, and a role cop? Wat?

Please remember that that Syryana game reading this head was a fluke
Which should be established by now with the sample size now at 6

What does this even mean

yeah, I ignored most of their posts too, but do you think Pie vs Wisdom thing was faked?

Because that's a level of scum theatre I have not witnessed in a long time.

It wouldn't be hard at all, especially since the whole thing was bullshit from both sides. MS springs a scumread on Wis for no reason whatever, Wisdom responds with nonsense. Ad nauseam.

So yeah, you really get to set me aside.

Thank god.

Long list..

Kagami Bacde Ceph AJ Vedith Anen

Then maybe Medea
Then some dunnos

Sorry paranoia is justified

If this is your lynch list, Aneninen really shouldn't be on it... We have a counterwagon d1 with 3 confirmed scum on it to a scum lynch.

This is possibly the first thing you've said I haven't hated all game.

I'd prefer an Ika/PN/Bcade lynch today. I still believe the echo wagon that popped up was an easy counterwagon to a scum lynch (second time it's happened to that slot) and more using a confirmed town to push their lynch through.

The only way Kami is scum is it WoF is scum with them in my opinion. And probably myself, too. The slot claims miller on me and at least one sane cop, why not just claim cop claim guilty instead? It'd be easily justified with my flip.

And then there was this.
1) What Echo wagon, it had like a maximum of 3 people on it
2)WoF being scum with Kami makes no sense, how did you get this?
3)"And probably myself too?" Da fuq?

What a wonderful way to be wrong!

Ok, sorry for the snark posts earlier, but please please please, let's work together this time instead of just dismissing me like you did yesterday.

Sorry, but it pissed me off when you did all that nonsense with the cop guilty. Don't do that anymore.

Also consider that you have far more information than we do given that your neighborhood seems to be exceptionally active.

Yeah Wisdom is scum. He should be lynched.

I mean, I also said comments like this all game, but lets not dwell on the past, eh?

And yet you have done nothing to push the point. Don't try to claim credit for something you didn't have anything to do with.

oh wait wisdom wanted you dead and tried to discredit your gov claim

yeah vedith is town unless there is some complicated scum theatre going on

Weren't we just talking about this?

With the level of town power I would be astonished to see only one scum.

This.

Im jsut gonna echo how bad mastin is and how she is still a VI player cus she cant read me for jack

You calling someone else a VI? That's rich.

other head is ready to hand out tickets for the "Ika Zaru Lynch Wagon"
Limited time offer.

-Suika

Policy. With MS gone, he'll have to do.

Can I go? I mean, most of mine is already out there anyway...

No.

It's set up so the probable mislynches are first, as if there are scum in the pool t hey can't fuck with their claims based off what those he finds more townie say, and ends with the people who have alraedy mostly claimed.

This.

[Perpetual Nonsense]

The only time Ceph read this head as town was in a Syry modded game in 2013. Since then he has never had a real townread ever in 5 past completed games - always nullish

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Just clarifying.

Also, carry on! Lates

[Vedith]

And yet you have done nothing to push the point. Don't try to claim credit for something you didn't have anything to do with.

I can't help it if arrogance got the better...

[Oil Tycoons]

The only time Ceph read this head as town was in a Syry modded game in 2013. Since then he has never had a real townread ever in 5 past completed games - always nullish

Was this what you meant before? Was like wtf does this mean lol

[Perpetual Nonsense]

Yes that's what I meant before
-Luigi

[Perpetual Nonsense]

You were in that game as Trolling Fairy!

[Fluff Central]

Was anyone actually seriously speccing less than 2 scum left?

I've been locked on that count for a while.

Anyways, why is ika town to you, he who is immortal?

[Fluff Central]

Also, can we talk about these type "limitations" too?

That would make me a happy bunny.

Iirc Klingon was talking about having a similar setup to pisskop in regards to that AND LOOK WHO FLIPPED SCUM AWFULLY CONVENIENTLY

[Perpetual Nonsense]

I looked at some old large games.

Most 17 players had 4 scum. saw one that had 3 scum plus 1 traitor
So since 13 player minis in old games mostly had 3 scum,
It makes sense for there to be 3 scum in 13, 4 in 17 and 5 in 21