Mini 1729 - History Mafia II END

[Call of the Wild]

Spiffeh-The main issues is that I haven't been able to townread you and it bugs me. Not sure what to do about it so I go back and forth.

Thanks for the answer Plot.

I actually have an issue with her for a couple posts. 830 is exactly what you said. She called scorpius gut town but then voted him saying he's awkward. I did ask her to elaborate and point out the awkward posts and hopefully she found that post and will answer it.

I also didn't like 957 because unless I missed it, I have not seen her express any sort of scumread on Spiffeh so to come in here and say she wants to lynch him is suprising. Bella-why do you want to lynch Spiffeh?

So yeah, not liking Bella much but if those that know her say she's better sorted later, I can hold off on that then.

~SW

[Bellaphant]

Hi plot,

Guess which head? Because your post about my scumreads is fairly spot on, and your could lynch list looks really similar to mine. My read on scorp is a tad conflicted - a lot of the frustration looks townie, but I can't see him sorting the game the way I'd expect and there are other pings around his interactions with the dwlee/kt slots.

KT is...polarising is a good word. I'm more worried about dwlee than them, but they follow each other too much for me not to be concerned.

You said my scum-reads don't make sense together, which is an interesting point - I'd not really considered that and I generally find that harder to do early game, but I'll keep it in mind.

Can you tell bbt to stop scumming up your slot?

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: KT
VOTE: Dwlee

I've never seen anyone get away with such erratic behavior.. Also thinking Bastion is scum now too..

I think BC vs. COTW is TvT..

If you think erratic behavior is scummy what do you think of CotW fighting BC to the death and now retracting that read?

[Bellaphant]

whoops, hi SW.

I don't have a townread on the scorp slot by any means, because his progression is really weird. I can iso dive if you want?

Spiffeh's responses to dwlee made me o.0 (compare his response to the vote to bbt's 'wtf is that bad vote') and his response to you looked forced. I'm townreading your slot hard and asking plot about the lynch helped me gauge my read on her better.

also

vla to monday, rl sucks.

(not too much info for bbt )

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: tony

No protown behaviour, we need to consolidate a lynch and I'd like to give scorp another day to sort maybe. RL factors may
've been an issue

[Spiffeh]

@Sir Bastion who do you think is scum other than Scorpious because you've really put a lot of focus onto him this whole day which leaves me wondering where your head is at regarding everyone else

[Spiffeh]

OK Plotinus is town. Could you tell BBT to stop being so scummy?

~SW

Can you explain why you think Plot is town enough to negate your whole spat with BBT?

[Spiffeh]

I'll try! His playstyle is pretty nitpicky.

Do you want to lynch Tony or Spiffeh?

--P

And could you restate or point to why you're scum reading me please?

Also you said you liked some of SW's spoiler thing to me but could you tell me what you think about my response to her?

I'd also like to know if BBT is still scumreading CotW.

[Spiffeh]

Spiffeh's responses to dwlee made me o.0 (compare his response to the vote to bbt's 'wtf is that bad vote') and his response to you looked forced. I'm townreading your slot hard and asking plot about the lynch helped me gauge my read on her better.

What response are you referring to? And what about my response looked forced?

Forced is a buzzword a lot of people use and then never expand on it and it pisses me off.

If TonyMontana doesn't post something substantial other than hopping on the largest wagon and just tries to lurk out the rest of the day I will be willing to vote for him.

[Spiffeh]

Still need to re-ISO Scorpious but I cbf rn

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: BeardedCat don't want to lynch this today

[Dwlee99]

But buzzword is a buzzword, Spiffeh.

[gummmybear]

Not liking this Tony/MS wagon right now.

Bella - explain your read of no pro-town behaviour in the MS/Tony slot.

CoTW/BC, what do you all think of Bella following you onto the wagon like that? Esp CoTW - on reading Bella's ISO I notice multiple references to following your opinion/sheeping your opinion on certain people. What do you think of that?

[gummmybear]

Spiffeh - who do you want to lynch then?

BC - talk to me about Scorpius, especially Plothead. Do you have enough to read him right now? How do you think he is responding to your coaching?

[Call of the Wild]

OK Plotinus is town. Could you tell BBT to stop being so scummy?

~SW

Can you explain why you think Plot is town enough to negate your whole spat with BBT?

Sure, As you saw I was really fucking irritated with Titus for coming in here and voting Tony and telling me BC wasn't scum. Especially since she was scumreading them earlier. So we talked about it and she told me a couple things and told me I was in a tunnel, etc. So when I came back, I had a more open mind on them. Plot was really, really townie in her posts today, and her frustration with me for how I was reading her on playstyle rang genuine. So yeah, BBT was scummy as fuck but Plot isn't and my feeling on Plot is stronger right now.

So why did you unvote them?

~SW

[Call of the Wild]

Not liking this Tony/MS wagon right now.

CoTW/BC, what do you all think of Bella following you onto the wagon like that? Esp CoTW - on reading Bella's ISO I notice multiple references to following your opinion/sheeping your opinion on certain people. What do you think of that?

Why don't you like it? Titus has been pretty outspoken about wanting MS dead and Tony hasn't done anything since replacing in to change that.

Do you have some posts you can point me to in regards to Bella? Do you think she's buddying us or what?

~SW

[Spiffeh]

I don't think scum BBT pushes you so hard and so suddenly when he could probably get away with attacking someone less capable of defending themselves and be more consistent.
I also got town vibes from Plot's latest posts which makes me think my earlier problem with him was more due to me not being familiar with his playstyle.
I'm still wary of Plot's bad MS vote but not enough to lynch them for it.

@gummmy I am heavily leaning towards a Scorpious lynch atm but I'm gonna ISO him now and see if that holds.

[Spiffeh]

I want to know what BBT head thinks of CotW now.

And Dwlee I am finding it really difficult to see where your head is at when you suddenly vote for someone and retract it almost immediately. Who are you leaning towards lynching?

[Spiffeh]

I'd also be perfectly fine with flash lynching Aristophanes.

[Errantparabola]

LA until Sunday. I'll try to post as much as I can.

[Dwlee99]

I want to know what BBT head thinks of CotW now.

And Dwlee I am finding it really difficult to see where your head is at when you suddenly vote for someone and retract it almost immediately. Who are you leaning towards lynching?

Uhm, have you read the thread??

I thought Errantparabola was the one who said Scorpious KT and I were all scum together and that their read progression was a t v t to a s v s but I then realized that was Sir Bastion. So I don't know what you are getting at here. And for a lynch I can go for MS' slot. I don't have many scum reads atm.

[Spiffeh]

I think Aristophanes is being allowed to skate by because he's in "catch up mode" when his catch ups just summarize a lot and lack a definitive scum read. Like it uses words like "odd" and "weird" to describe Scorpious and it makes me think he is throwing that stuff in there so he doesn't have to commit but also has an excuse to hop on the wagon later.

His blind support of the Dwlee/KT TvS ides is also not great.

Also this is like the exact thing Aristophanes himself said here:

I feel like one of Dwlee/KT should be scum. Leaning on KT.
Thoughts?

and the post he's citing is a mere 100 posts after Aristophanes thought this himself. I think he is noticing the consensus on Scorpious forming and throwing things out there so he has an excuse to condense on Scorpious if need be.

This all makes me less comfortable with voting Scorpious and I think Aristophanes should really be an option we consider.

CotW, BC, EP, Dwlee thoughts?

PEdit: Dwlee did you think I was accusing you or something? Because I think it's pretty clear that's not what I was doing. That was a very powerful reaction to my question.

[Spiffeh]

Ftr I don't think MS was all that scummy but he is tough to read and I don't like Tony's one post and I feel like lynching that slot isn't the worst thing in the world.

[Errantparabola]

We're not super close to deadline so I don't see the harm in giving Tony a bit of time to work through the whole thing and give some solid thoughts before I jump on that wagon.
I can definitely get on an aristo lynch, though.

BBT, in 649 you asked me to give you some definite thoughts on the game.
I do so in 725.
What did you think?

[Dwlee99]

Well I made it pretty clear I didn't " retract it almost immediately", Spiffeh.

I agree with your thoughts on Ari, though. Even though those posts are 620 apart it seems like he was just blindly thinking KT or I are scum but then later calls scorpious out for it when scorpious' wagon is gaining momentum.