Blitz 3: Dead of Winter Mafia - Game Over

[The_Jester]

Erm... Hi there. I haven't received my Role PM yet. Is this a part of the "No Jesters" rule?

[The_Jester]

Can we have people referring to davesaz and me (Davsto) with our full names? Otherwise I see "dav" or "dave" and go "wait shit what have I done oh wait wrong dav(e)"

Fist

VOTE: davesaz I AM THE TRUE DAVE

So are you Dave or Davsto now?

Does it make you uneasy when someone refers to you in a distrustful manner?

Do you have something to hide?

Answer.

[The_Jester]

FYI activity is not alignment indicative.
I'm in travel and it's pretty difficult to catch up on a phone. Writing down notes on my knee right now, gonna post them when I'm done.

[The_Jester]

Town: Expedience, Bard
Leaning town: Ranger, Davsto,
Null: Klingon, Hiplop, pisskop
At least 1 scum's probably between: Makoto, Davesaz, Gameplay, Scorpious,
No idea what to think of ARS, got really mixed feelings.

VOTE: Makoto
My main suspect, mostly gut but I don't like that she posts almost exclusively fluff, tries to look useful but really isn't, doesn't take decisive stances. Looks like cautious newbscum to me.
If this wagon doesn't gain traction I'm gonna switch but I'm the most comfortable with my vote there atm.
This has to do for the time being.

[The_Jester]

@davesaz I did, in fact, miss that alt thing. However you can still be newbscum after playing a number of games, to me it's rather an expression regarding a level of confidence in your own play.
I don't see how Expedience can be scum. If he indeed is, I admire his skill but seriously Scorpious' vote made me want to vote nim but there's no wagon on nim so no point.
I'm gonna re-read and probably join one of longer wagons for now. We gotta choose and unify the wagons cause I can't see how NL can be beneficial to anyone but scum.

[The_Jester]

Scorpious' vote seems so weird though. It's like he saw the VC and thought "damn, almost everyone's voting someone, I better do the same so I don't stand out when the DL comes."

[The_Jester]

Official Vote Count

gameplay506

(3): davesaz, A Royal Saint, Klingoncelt

davesaz

(2): gameplay506, Expedience

Ranger

(2): Davsto, Makoto Nanaya

A Royal Saint

(2): The Silver Bard, Ranger

Klingoncelt

(1): hiplop

Makoto Nanaya

(1): The_Jester

Expedience

(1): Scorpious

Not Voting

(1): pisskop

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-07 13:52:33)

Ok looks like it's gameplay or nobody, so

VOTE: gameplay

[The_Jester]

Dunno why that VC got quoted.
It's L-2.

[The_Jester]

Being this close to the DL, it may've been. But I highly doubt it would be beneficial to him.

[The_Jester]

VOTE: Makoto
I'm very comfortable with this lynch right now.

[The_Jester]

Gameplay's not here, until he explains stuff I'm staying on Makoto's ass.

[The_Jester]

I don't have much experience with open setups so I'm waiting for more info from various perspectives to properly judge the situation.
Plus Makoto pinged me before gameplay's failed lynch so she's holding priority.

[The_Jester]

By open I meant a hidden setup. Oh wait... What's the correct term?

[The_Jester]

I guess it's a closed setup then, following the logic. Dunno why but I thought open setup means the setup is open for speculation, derp.

[The_Jester]

Alrighty, thanks.

@Makoto, what do you think of Ranger now?

[The_Jester]

@Makoto I've got two questions for you:

1. What's your current stance on gameplay? Cause you've went from scum to town to "dunno". Please decide. Are you willing to join his wagon or not? Why?
2. Since Ranger's still your main scumread, why aren't you trying to gain more supporters on this wagon? Are you satisfied with not having impact on the game?

[The_Jester]

- gameplay is probably town. His play day one makes much more sense from a townie trying to confirm himself (as stupid as it is) by spending his lynchproof by baiting by playing anti-town than a scum wasting his lynchproof.

I'm sorry but this is simply not true. It's straight-up scummy to make town waste a whole day just because you wanna "confirm" yourself and don't wanna put any effort in playing. Not speaking of lowering your chances of winning when you potentially reach LyLo as "conf town".

[The_Jester]

VOTE: Gameplay

I don't find hiplop scummy.

Hiplop's not even a viable lynch right now.
What's your opinion on Makoto?

[The_Jester]

Goddamit, I hate playing with Muricans. It's quiet whole day and when I wake up BOOM, always gotta catch up.
Anyway, I know Davsto and he's town so I'm not lynching him.
Also I'd gladly lynch Fire cause I can't see his posts on mobile. Fuck that.
@Expedience why did you exactly unvote Makoto?

[The_Jester]

Mkay.
And yeah, it's meta-based. He's not as active as I'd like him to be but I don't see him a scum.

[The_Jester]

Sorry for being so silent lately but stomach flu is keeping me on my knees (literally).
I'm not opposing a hiplop lynch, atm I like it more than Exp lynch cause he's been my main townread to date. This may change depending on tonight's flip but I'll have to re-read it all when I feel better.
I'll hammer if need be.

[The_Jester]

Finally we can lynch her.

VOTE: Makoto

L-1

[The_Jester]

I'm sorry, could you please explain why you fakeclaimed, led a wagon on a person you didn't have a result on and then hammered when everyone on the wagon was misinformed? What town motivation could possibly be behind all this?

[The_Jester]

You said you visited Mako at night and falsely stated you got a guilty result on her. This implies a cop-like role. Now you're saying you're a doctor. The heck?

[The_Jester]

Okay, playtime's over.
I'm the Cop.

I visited Davsto N1 cause he was the only person I've played with before and was curious. Result: Town.
I visited ARS N2 cause I got paranoid about his double vote. Result: Town (as we all know now)

The person I visited N3 was... pisskop. I think it was the most viable choice after the shit he's done at the end of the day. And I wasn't wrong. Result: guilty.

VOTE: pisskop

You should've killed me earlier, thanks for letting me know you were planning on using your NA on me tonight.

I didn't wanna claim before I made sure pisskop wouldn't change his claim again. His #707 ensures that. No one else is gonna try to counter-claim.

[The_Jester]

What does it even mean "to popcorn"?

[The_Jester]

I don't care cause everyone but pisskop's town. We can go with you, seeing as you've already started.

[The_Jester]

Aren't you though?

[The_Jester]

Hmm I've just checked and I went with Fire N2. Planned to check ARS but I never know what to make of Fire so went with him instead. He's town. Rest of my results still stand.

[The_Jester]

Town/Guilty. There's also been a pun involved.

[The_Jester]

Pisskop, so you're saying there's a Framer involved?

[The_Jester]

How many times can a CPR Doc save someone?

[The_Jester]

If you were a normal Doc, you'd just protect me tonight (if people decide they want you to live) and I'd check a person we'd all agree on, easy peasy. But with CPR Doc it's shite cause I'm not gonna live to tell the story if scum doesn't decide to target me. Which makes me think a CPR Doc's a believable claim. And that worries me cause I was so sure you were scum...

[The_Jester]

I need you to answer my #701.

[The_Jester]

UNVOTE:

My head hurts.
I don't think we should say who we're gonna target tonight.

[The_Jester]

But if there's a Godfather then there are no Framers. And I got a guilty on you, so...

[The_Jester]

I'm going to sleep. We'll talk tomorrow.

[The_Jester]

I really wanna see Bard's claim now.

[The_Jester]

Why Pisskop? Don't you believe his claim?

[The_Jester]

Why?

[The_Jester]

Klingy, what did you mean when you said Bard's up to something?

[The_Jester]

There are no Jesters in this game (apart from me).

[The_Jester]

Seeing as I'm Brian Lee, a mayor who happens to be a Cop this game, I think a nurse being a VT is plausible.

[The_Jester]

I think you're trying too hard to play the flavor card, pisskop.

[The_Jester]

If you want me to be honest, I'd rather see you dead. I mean, there are "ifs" and "coulds" but a guilty is a guilty. Dunno, it would just help me sleep better to know I've done my job and I'm not being fucked with. But I guess it's not as simple as that.

[The_Jester]

What was that stuff about N1 NK again? I'm getting a bit lost here.

[The_Jester]

See, my problem is the stuff you say about Expedience doesn't actually

have

to be true. I mean, scum could've abstained from using NK N1, right? I know it's unlikely. But it could've happened for whatever reason.

I've ISOd Expedience to see if he crumbed in any way your role. Unfortunately, I haven't found much.

He did say that:

So first things first, gameplay is probably town. If I had to guess, the scum are trying to force us into a second D1 with that No kill.

I don't really see this as likely, how would the scum benefit from "a second D1", wouldn't D2 with one less town member be inherently better? I guess that could happen at MyLo or something, but nobody has died yet.

I think that they attacked someone.

That would indicate he knew about the night target.

Expedience almost didn't interact with you at all, apart from this:

We arent doing this. Fire, claim and/or die.

He said in code that he is unlynchable, but that his role PM doesn't necessarily say if the unlynchableness is one-shot or not.

He said that he tracked Klingoncelt last night but she went nowhere.

Do you believe his claim?

He may have asked you cause he trusted you.

He did slightly townread you, despite the lack of interaction, which favors your story:

I can try to sort them in order if you want but it won't be that informative.

Town

Expedience
The Silver Bard
A Royal Saint

pisskop

Firebringer (replaces gameplay506)
Klingoncelt
Ranger
The_Jester
Makoto Nanaya
Scorpious
hiplop
davesaz
Davsto

Scum

Makoto / Scorpious would be a nullish kind of area below which slight townreads become slight scumreads.

I actually have a lot of townreads, but I think that's good because there are only 2 scum in this setup.

But he's also townread you before your alleged PT conversation happened:

It's a playstyle thing. Some people are confrontational, others use a more oblique approach. The trick is reading how people respond.
Lots of game links available on my wiki page, feel free to compare.

Well, I read some of your ISO in this one in which you were town. And surprisingly meta actually seems to be vaguely useful for once and I see your point. Like, I probably would've called you scum for the same reasons if I was in that game but you flipped town.

Looking at you as scum here, you actually seem more aggressive which is the opposite of what I would expect.

I am still not convinced that this makes you town, becuase meta can be changed, and you kind of ignored the other aspect of my accusation: the shallow pseudo-scumhunting. I'm not sure how to pursue this further, but I am not scumreading you much any more. I will retract my vote for now.

UNVOTE: davesaz

At the moment I am seeing Ranger, The Silver Bard and pisskop as town.

Maybe we should just lynch gameplay or Davsto or something, most of the active people actually seem pretty town to me. Davsto is not doing much and he just voted for someone who I am pretty certain is town.

So it may seem like he was intentionally ignoring you not to bring the attention on you. But at the same time he could've just assumed you're town early on and focus on other people.

Apart from you, no one else claimed having been in a PT with him though, and he surely must've used his power so that's a plus for you.

Still, it's not 100% conclusive to me. Sigh.

[The_Jester]

Okay then.

VOTE: TSB

[The_Jester]

Fuuuuck.
@Dav, what do you make out of this?

[The_Jester]

VOTE: pisskop

I'm taking the blame if I'm wrong.

[The_Jester]

I thought the same about you when I hammered.

[The_Jester]

Night result confirmed that TSB is scum.
And you are still trying to save your face after that fakeclaim. Cool.

VOTE: TSB

Bye

[The_Jester]

[The_Jester]

GG!

[The_Jester]

My first town win. Yay!

I know I fucked up with pisskop but I've never played with a miller before. Plus I really didn't like how he started swearing at TSB so I got annoyed and voted. Sry.

[The_Jester]

You've done pretty well. I've had you booked on the town side for the most of the game.

[The_Jester]

MAKOTO SORRY FOR TUNNELLING YOU

Can we still be friends? <3

[The_Jester]

Thanks for playing everyone.

[The_Jester]

Yup. I had to lie about my night result. Which I did cause N2 I've checked Expedience (who's died the same night) and not Fire.
It was a pretty interesting addition.

[The_Jester]

Special thanks go to our mods (especially to Titus who has patiently responded to a number of my queries). Thanks guys. You're the best.

[The_Jester]

Pisskop, if you stop being rude, maybe it'll help people who don't know you with making the right decision.

[The_Jester]

Calling people "retards" and "shitmonkeys" isn't really a necessary element of pressuring. Just saying. To me it looked like desperate scum, what can I do.

[The_Jester]

MY HOMOPHOBIC BRAIN PRETENDED HE DIDN'T SEE IT
SORRY

[The_Jester]

I dunno what you're on about so I'm not gonna continue that discussion. I've said everything I wanted.