Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

[AlwaysInnocent]

2. Oh, right. The same thing I said about Ranger. Never mind.

[Errantparabola]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64325

in which ranger foils me once again

[AlwaysInnocent]

I am inclined to believe Titus for now, but there is just one thing that keeps bugging me: her early and highly confident (and uncalled for) townread of Ranger. This conflicts with my belief that Ranger is scum.

[Errantparabola]

"Reasons are luxury, not a necessity."

And this is one of the statements from ranger that I don't like.
The whole faux-confidence thing.

[AlwaysInnocent]

"Reasons are luxury, not a necessity."

And this is one of the statements from ranger that I don't like.
The whole faux-confidence thing.

Ranger

likes to throw around lists of reads without explanation, it seems. Even as scum. This does not surprise me at all.

This makes me more confident that you are town. Thanks for the info.

Errant

becomes green instead of light-green. What an honor! No, but our clash before seems genuine (two townies suspecting each other), now that we are talking like this.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Yakko also moves from being

orange

to being

red

. Now I may have to introduce a hierarchy within the red zone to differentiate between likely scum candidates.

[BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie]

I am inclined to believe Titus for now, but there is just one thing that keeps bugging me: her early and highly confident (and uncalled for) townread of Ranger. This conflicts with my belief that Ranger is scum.

That was part of why I targeted titus last night. I was really confused by a few of her reads, and wanted to confirm that the block forming wasn't being run by scum.

[BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie]

Squirrelly and titus what do you think of the ranger wagon? I like AI's reasoning.

[hi im Yakko]

I was commenting on the fact that he might be scum.

Why might Flubber be scum? I have a null read on him atm.

Minimal posts, comes into the game with a weak read on me, totally ignores everything that is happening and doesn't comment on the game or throw out reads. I mean he called titus and squirrely town I think how he phrased it was odd.

My points were mostly I didn't want to read the argument as I have been in games with both titus and farside and they always argue over seemingly nothing.

I think titus was dumbtelling because of the misunderstanding. Although I might be wrong in what dumbtelling means. Still need to look it up.

[Titus]

So much wall. Just tell me who to vote for.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Ranger or Wanderer is fine. For now.

[AlwaysInnocent]

And please at least do

some

reading. Walls aren't necessarily indicative of good play, but we should step away from the one-liners whenever possible. At least make some contributions that aren't one-liners. Besides, it makes it a lot easier to read people.

[Titus]

And please at least do

some

reading. Walls aren't necessarily indicative of good play, but we should step away from the one-liners whenever possible. At least make some contributions that aren't one-liners. Besides, it makes it a lot easier to read people.

I an wall. Just don't feel like it.

Short posts =/= not reading.

Not opposed to Ranger or Wanderer at this time.

[Titus]

Just reaching major apathy in my games tbh.

[pisskop]

Votecount 2.02

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wanderer-nl

- (3) Squirrelly, Titus

AlwaysInnocent

- (1) wanderer-nl

Errant Parabola

- (1) texcat

Hi Im Yakko

- (1) Flubbernugget

texcat

- (1) Hi Im Yakko

Ranger

- (1) AlwaysInnocent, ErrantParabola

Not Voting:

BeBopAReBop, Ranger, Firebringer, Albert B. Rampage, TheDominator37, ZZZX

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With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is 15DEC15, (expired on 2015-12-15 20:30:00)

Firebringer is v/la until Wensday

Prodding Ranger and wanderer-nl.

[Wanderer-nl]

Sorry, didn't know it had been so long already. Had a weird weekend, just got home from work and reading up.

I feel scum would be aware of this being multiball by now so Dom's 524 feels like a towntell. It does very much annoy me though because this has already been discussed. Twice. (iirc)

@Errant: I sort of hid why I was townreading Yakko in my case on Always. I liked the points he was trying to make and besides that it's mostly gut. And I trust my gut.

I missed where Always became conftown, if someone could point that out to me I may be willing to adjust my read and vote.
I also don't see why I should reconsider a scumread I had for the most part individually and when someone else flipped town, especially in a multiball. Always was an equal, if not stronger, scumread of mine than Phantom was, Phantom just happened to have the bigger wagon and I didn't want to risk a no-lynch. I sometimes forget this is Blitz and a rl day left in the phase is relatively a lot more here than a game with 2 week phases.

I followed the Titus vs Squirrelly and while I think Titus was aggressive by voting so soon I do believe her thoughts and attack came from a town mindset. Squirrelly has dropped from townread to townlean by their reaction to Titus.

I'll do a more thorough reread when I wake up.

[texcat]

Farside Always Innocent and I are confirmed town.

I missed something. But that's Ok, just tell me how confident you are in these read.

Titus

, did you miss this?

[Firebringer]

Titus is probably scum.
VOTE: Titus

[Ranger]

Are town villager and town citizen different somehow? *Is confused*

Hello scumslip.

VOTE: Bebop.

[Ranger]

I don't do crumbs.

Yes you do.
Titus is scum, too.

VOTE: Titus.

[Ranger]

Ranger: throws around random reads, without explanation, and then disappeared

>_>

I post once a day.
Sometimes twice. (More if I'm obsessing over a game, but average of 1/2 times a day.)

That's not disappearing, that's called

having life.

Exception: yesterday (Saturday), since I didn't know the game would be starting Saturday, and I took the whole day off for personal reasons. (Easily confirmable.) Otherwise, yeah. Been here every day, once or twice per day. Very much not disappearing.

UNVOTE: Titus.
Titus explained herself sufficiently, Bebop's result on her is apparently rock-solid, Bebop is unlikely to be protecting a scumbuddy, and Titus as a godfather is unlikely to claim jailkeeper, so all signs point to Titus as town, and Bebop as probably-town. (The scumslip I mentioned was, more accurately defined, a "not-VT" slip, and Bebop claimed not-VT.)

Since this has cut my scumreads down in half (between Bebop being town, Titus being town, and PhantomCobalt flipping town), I'll need to re-evaluate my assumptions from yesterday.

I still feel comfortable with a Squirrelly townread (for obvious reasons) and also am feeling good about Always Innocent, but aside from that, I need to re-think the rest. Will do after I have caught up.

[Ranger]

and acting all-defensive when her post behavior gets analyzed by him.

Of course I'm defensive about post behavior involving

my real life activity

.
You call me a lurker, I'm calling you out on BS because I don't lurk.

I post once or twice a day.
That's plenty active, even in a blitz game. I stay up to current, I catch up quickly even when not, and my post count is always easily at least middle of the pack. I do NOT "disappear". So you say I do, and I WILL call you out on your lie.

Well, I think the opposite is more likely to be true: providing lists of reads is a luxury; reasons are a necessity.

You're not very good at making cases if you bring up playstyle as an argument. I have a widely established history, null because it's there as both alignments, of listing. Reasons are a luxury, lists practically a necessity for keeping my thoughts organized.

Ranger being scum in Hardcore mafia means that Ranger isn't necessarily town for any of her early game strong positions
I think Titus early townread ranger due to something of that sort?

This is tripping all kinds of opportunism bells.

VOTE: Errantparabola.
(So

this

is what it feels like. I've been on the giving end of this a few times, never the receiving end. I'd tell you the vote's not OMGUS but you wouldn't believe me.)

[BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie]

Are town villager and town citizen different somehow? *Is confused*

Hello scumslip.

VOTE: Bebop.

Explain. And keep in mind that pisskop edited the post I was referring to.

[Ranger]

I could've seen Titus and Ranger as a team, especially with the Dwlee kill.
But the jailkeeper reaction on D2 start confirms titus as town?

"Titus and Ranger could be a team"-->Titus is town-->

VOTE: Ranger

^That. Why this doesn't make sense: Because if the assumption is "Titus and Ranger could be a town"-->Titus is confirmed town, the first thing to do is

reassess your read on the other player

. As in, "Titus and Ranger could be a team"-->"Titus is town"-->"So maybe Ranger isn't part of a scumteam, need to reconsider".

[Ranger]

The titus townreading ranger thing isn't why ranger is scum, to clarify. but it's a benefit that comes from ranger being lynched.

And the benefit behind lynching a strong townread of a player who is apparently confirmed town is...

...What, exactly?