NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[Keyser Söze]

You guys aren't lynching me, I'll tell you that much.

When under pressure does DeathNote:
- threatened to replace out?
- wager suicide?
- or claim a power role?

At what point/post made you post this warning?
Was it the 4 votes?
Aeronaut's list of reads?
Other?

UNVOTE: Dwlee
just town with wrong opinions who can't handle pressure.

If meta proves this has happened before with him as scum

I'll consider moving back.

What did the meta prove?



VOTE: Wake88
Dwlee99 this.
Dwlee99 that.
Any thoughts not Dwlee99?

[Dwlee99]

Keyser is scum. I feel it. I have to check over it but it feels like his play in justified.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser is scum.

No.

I feel it.

Feelings do nothing.
Explain.

it feels like his play in justified.

What is "justified"?

Observation?
Scum case is very weak.
But scum-read sounds very strong.

Conclusion?
Wait to see if developed scum-reason explains strong scum-read.

[Dwlee99]

The justified game.

[Keyser Söze]

The justified game.

Please link.
Please explain.
"feel" is weak.


Would scum present a weak scum-case but a strong scum-read?
Less likely.
Would town continue to push their strong scum-read despite their weak scum-case?
More likely.


Dwlee99 wagon. Awful overreactions and defence.
Everyone steps back.
Frozen Angel wagon. Awful overreactions and defence.
Everyone steps back.
Their playstyle make them easy targets, so harder to ascertain the real scum-reads that keep pressure on Dwlee99/Frozen Angel, or the opportunistic scum-reads that keep the pressure on their slots.
Threats, emotions, bold font and SHOUTING - cunning deflection or fluff-filled misdirection?
Come back later.

Meanwhile, the reasons on DeathNote's wagon are more tangible.
I thought DeathNote would stay composed and give a great defence given his wordy introduction...

...but then DeathNote decides to roleclaim.
Motivation?
Yet another awful overreaction and defence.

[Dwlee99]

Keyser, you were my scum partner.
Bs you dont remember.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser, you were my scum partner.
Bs you dont remember.

Explain "justified game":
That was 'Mini Normal 1719 - Flavorless Fun!'
I think you are confused/incorrect.
I remember everything.

Pending:

Explain "feel".
Explain "keyser is scum".

Go.

[Fro99er]

Mod V/LA until Sunday 12/27. International travel

I'll check in a couple times but my activity will be very limited.

Just hopped on the plane. V/LA with spotty access this week.

[JarJarDrinks]

here. Catching up

[Dwlee99]

Oh, flavorless fun then. Mb.
You are playing the same.

[JarJarDrinks]

Only 3 pages in and deathnote is looking pretty scummy. These 2 posts are like 2 totally different mindsets.

Spoiler:

vote: Fro99er

This is not an RVS vote. I can't believe how much Fro has rubbed me the wrong way. I am going to try my best not to tunnel vision here but after reading his posts a couple times, I see scum trying to create fluff conversations. The real post that concerns me is #26. You voted someone because they were unusual from what you remember and then recant your statement. No big deal right? But then you claim Aeronaut is probably town for some reason. I'm guessing you did it because he questioned you? In actuality, it just looks like you are scum who is wanting to make sure Aeronaut doesn't pressure you for your "unusual" vote.

It just looks like you back peddled real fast, throwing town cred in Aeronaut's face so you could get him on your side. Whats worse is that Dwlee is now sheeping Aeronaut likely because of what you did. That's a whole different case though and between Dwlee vote hopping and your shady play, I am considering you to be the scummier of the two.

Aeronaut could maybe be considered pro-town now but hard to say because I didn't get to see the follow up to Fro's backpeddling.

@piss- whats up with your post #25? Who was that referring too?

Spoiler:

As for FA- the vote was... bad? The problem I have with forum mafia is I am freaking dreadful at detecting sarcasm and people's true meaning. I kind of glazed over her post and I think her putting a question mark at the end of OMGUS is why I thought it was a joke.

OMGUS can be alignment indicative imo. People let their emotions fly more often if they are mafia because they want to avoid being attacked at all costs. OMGUS is a way to defend against being attacked. Dwlee didn't OMGUS from what I saw, he matched a joke vote with another joke vote.

FA could be scum.

The 1st is very well explained and confident. While the 2nd is very wishy-washy.

Like the 1st looks very LAMIST. The statement:

I am going to try my best not to tunnel vision here..

seems designed to let the town know that he has some kind of internal conflict w/ his scum read. Don't tell us you're gonna try not to tunnel. Just... don't, if you think you're gonna be conf-biased.

[Keyser Söze]

You are playing the same.

Show me.
Explain.

I will then look upon your case and see if I think town-Dwlee99 would conclude the following:

Keyser is scum.

You post unsupported weak cases:

fro99er is scum and should be lynched.

Keyser is scum. I feel it. I have to check over it but it feels like his play in justified.

Do you think either fro99er or myself are getting lynched on your scum-cases?

I want to see the strong case to follow the strong scum-read.

[Dwlee99]

Fro99er is town, I misread him. And I will go through flavorless fun and compare stuff ehen I get home. I get this vibe.

[JarJarDrinks]

Though page 5.

Townreading FA for how she responded to the pressure on her. Clearly frustrated that a wagon formed on her for what she believes is a dumb reason (and it was a pretty dumb reason)

And when you're town, it's natural to expect that scum is on your wagon so it makes sense for her to suspect Nero as it looked like a pretty terrible sheep vote.

[Dwlee99]

Actually I funished my schoolwork i will get started.

[Keyser Söze]

Fro99er is town

Ok.

I get this vibe.

Still not convinced.

Actually I funished my schoolwork i will get started.

Begin.

[Keyser Söze]

The 1st is very well explained and confident.

Yes.

You guys aren't lynching me, I'll tell you that much.

Is this the same DeathNote?

The timing of his vote was poor:

Vote: Cow

I would have prefered it after this comment (over 300 posts ago):

^cows last posts was a bunch of nothing. What was your intentions when you posted that?

[JarJarDrinks]

btw, who wants to take bets on how long I last?

Very much dislike this post. What's the point of saying it?

Not really a fan of any of RCs posts @ this point actually.

[JarJarDrinks]

Because her vote on me. She should know better.

What's this mean? (It's replying to pisskop asking you why you're so sure that RC is scum.)

[JarJarDrinks]

So what I like to do when I play this game is quote things I want to respond to as I read up. There was a bit I missed overnight so this was probably going to be a long post.

However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.

Fro99er has been acting more and more increasingly textbook scummy until about the breaking point when they town-read each other. A town player getting flustered because he knew another aggressive townie was going to push him, yeah I get that. It's a little bullshit though. Some townpoints for RC. DeathNote still looking shitty.


Spoilers below for my "quotes" but don't see a reason to respond to half of those now.

Spoiler:

Page 2.

Also I remembered wrong about davesaz.

Noted.

Sheeping Aero.

Early sheep noted.

Has Aero done something that makes him sheep worthy?

No.

Aeronaut could maybe be considered pro-town now

Explain.

FA could be scum.

Fro99er more likely scum?

things are getting sirious in here.

Why serious?
Number of votes?
The reasons for the votes?

I mean siriously what the hell is this? I ever said Dweele is scum for it?

why are you guys all putting things in my mouth?

and No omgus is no allignment indicative :

VOTE: Nero

I reread this thread and I can't find "why your happy with that vote" it seems you only want to make a fast wagon and get over with it.

Yes, she can.

There's a critical difference in her mentality between her scum and town games that's really easy to sort if you know what you're looking for.

IS it?

Why overreact on something that is not?
How many votes is not serious?
Is there enough solid reasons on your wagon to 'make it a fast wagon and get over with it'?

I never overreacted to something that is not. I didn't even voted him because of OMGUS. It was RVS and I did something to gain intel. (one of my misterious tests!) and some people overreacted to it because they can't see further than their noses!

But Nero in the other hand questioned me about what I did and stated "I feel good about my vote" , well that's not a reason for joining a wagon.

and I said its getting sirious (that means we're out of RVS - lets start a valid conversation)

and I never said there is. I asked for them and he couldn't give me even one.

I feel good about my vote

It's clear death note has never played with me.

RC has though. Why was my entrance bad RC?

btw, who wants to take bets on how long I last?

You scumread him for doing a weird RVS vote without ever having seen him do an RVS vote?

Right. But I was right in that I DIDN'T remember him making an opening like that. I just misremembered I hadn't seen him make an opening at all.

Would scum me really be that lazy on post one?

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: Fro99er

I don't like that as soon as I say that I'm suspicious of you and another person, you immediately vote the other person.

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

link meta

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

link meta

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

No, it wasn't BS. It was true because you were buddying me there.

You know my vote hopping is town. It was in refraction. It was in that game.

Now you're pretending you were saying BS? You know what you said was true there, even if you were scum.

unvote

I'll just come back later and try to figure out who to vote then.

VOTE: Death Note

This basically reads as "I'm scum and its not fair how people are townreading each other!!!"

This was my exact thought reading that. It's like textbook frustrated scum.

Some townpoints for RC. DeathNote still looking shitty.

[Keyser Söze]

Just hopped on the plane.

Safe journey.

Not really a fan of any of RCs posts @ this point actually.

No fake roleclaims.
No trolling.
No quick hammers.
No Annie art.

No alarm bells going off so far.

Sharing thought process.
Explaining scum reads.

[Keyser Söze]

Actually I funished my schoolwork i will get started.

How is the case going?

Essay title: "keyser is scum".
Essay deadline: 12 hours.
Essay wordcount: 1,000 words (max).

[pisskop]

Why Keysor Seze is Scum

I have spent my life as a relatively average American would. I drink soda pop, play video game, believe imperialism is the best -ism, and find foreign cultures weird and detestable. But 2 years ago,, my life changed. I found Mafia, and found I was good at Mafia. I learned how to identify scum based on cues and fitting the evidence to my theory like any good scientist of today. I found that scum post somehow differently in games they are scum in; as opposed to town in. I found out that by saying something enough I could make myself and others believe it. Keysor Seze is scum.
Keysor Seze is scum because he is a lurksack who is not posting content. In the stead of content, he posts 1-liners and chalenges that don't mean anything; and this is because he is scum trying to hide. Keysor Seze is scum trying to avoid anchoring himself to any opinion or player too early.
Keysor Seze is posting much differently than my last game with him; where he foolishly tried to lynch me because he is a total noob. Here, he is ignoring me and not posting at all. He is using christmas to hide behind bcause Keysor Seze is scum.
Keysor Seze is scum because he does scummy things. Keysor Seze tries to be cute or funny, but Keysor Seze is scummy because of that. Keysor Seze is posting catchup posts that aren't engaging other players because Keysor Seze is scum.

From all this, we can safely conclude that Keysor Seze is scum. Especially since

he isn't actually engaging players and hasn't posted much outside of his totally not-town catchup posts!

We must lynch him today, because he is scum. Vote Keysor Seze for Day 01 Lycnh.

[Keyser Söze]

though not directly contributing to the discussion.

Time to contribute now.

[Frozen Angel]

don't have time to play tonight.

I'll join tomorrow (sorry)