Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

[pisskop]

Votecount 4.01

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Flubbernugget

- (3) Firebringer, AlwaysInnocent, Hi Im Yakko

texcat

- (2) Ranger, ErrantParabola

Firebringer

- (1) Squirrelly

Errantparabola

- (1) texcat

Not Voting:

ZZZX, Flubbernugget, TheDominator37

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With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is 22DEC15, (expired on 2015-12-22 20:30:00)

[AlwaysInnocent]

Could you give a read list or something? If you are town, then it is important that we can read you, so that we do not have to waste any lynch on you. It also helps PoE.

I think I have been open with my thoughts so far. If I haven't mentioned a player as being town I am reading them as null or scum.

Do you want a formal list or something?

Yes.

[Firebringer]

I guess it would go something like:

Ranger
ErrantParabola
You
Then Everyone Else.

[AlwaysInnocent]

What do we have on Texcat, though?

• She seemed to deflect from Wanderer.
  
• An insincere sounding congratulatory post.
  
• Emphasizing consistency, for voting Errant again. Not sure why we need to know.

But how is this a solid case?

Insincere?? I assure you that it was not insincere. I'm not sure why you're characterizing it that way.

It just seems like a typical scummy thing to do.

I can see how you think I was emphasizing consistency, but what I was feeling was more like, Please can we lynch Errant already??

Oh.

"Not providing much reason"? As opposed to you, who provides readlists with no reasons?

To be fair, Ranger has been giving plenty of reasons lately.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I guess it would go something like:

Ranger
ErrantParabola
You
Then Everyone Else.

Could you put some more effort into reading other people? This is not really a complete list. It does not even include half of the people. Townreading people is easier than scumreading people.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Firebringer, I find it odd that you townread both Ranger and Errant, and rank them higher than me.

[Firebringer]

Could you put some more effort into reading other people? This is not really a complete list. It does not even include half of the people. Townreading people is easier than scumreading people.

I could, but I don't want to.

CONFLICTING INTERESTS HERE!!!

If I had to go more indepth it would be:

Null
Hi Im Yakko
Squirrelly
Texcat
ZZZX
TheDominator37
Flubbernugget
Scum

So sad my scum are more people who aren't as active.
Kind of how it usually is though. Well not always, but definitely feels like it for this game.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, I find it odd that you townread both Ranger and Errant, and rank them higher than me.

Well you are only town because situationally you look townie.
I get more natural feeling that Ranger and Errant are town than you.

Your posts give me weird vibes but that seems possibly your playstyle.
You're a odd duck is what I am saying.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Firebringer, I find it odd that you townread both Ranger and Errant, and rank them higher than me.

Well you are only town because situationally you look townie.
I get more natural feeling that Ranger and Errant are town than you.

Your posts give me weird vibes but that seems possibly your playstyle.
You're a odd duck is what I am saying.

I don't get the "scummy vibes". Why do Ranger and Errant feel more natural to you? I just don't get it.

[Firebringer]

I don't get the "scummy vibes". Why do Ranger and Errant feel more natural to you? I just don't get it.

Gut.

I am too tired to keep up this conversation with you, I will have more to say about this game tomorrow. I need sleep right now, its like 7:00 AM and I haven't slept.

Bye.

[AlwaysInnocent]

UNVOTE: Flubber

Reconsidering a few things.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Here is my current read list.

Read List D4 V1

Squirrelly

: actively scumhunting, so town

Ranger

: the evil mastermind; it is easy to be deceived by her, she knows how to be convincing as scum (but there are some tells)

Yakko

: seems lurking and opportunistic, so scum-leaning

Firebringer

: fence-town, don't make me regret this

Flubbernugget

: possible scum buddy with Albert B... but uncertain

Errantparabola

: considers Ranger town... weird, but seemed to be actively scumhunting

AlwaysInnocent

: killed two scum and three bears with his own hands => confirmed town

ZZZX

: lots of empty promises

TheDominator37

: null, might genuinely be a bad player

Texcat

: deflected from Wanderer and overall suspicious behavior; her focus on Errant is strange

While I am scumreading Ranger, she may not be wrong about texcat after all. However, I need more information to be sure.

[AlwaysInnocent]

VOTE: Ranger

[AlwaysInnocent]

Don't get me wrong. I like you as a player, Ranger. Your posts are always intelligent. I just don't trust you.

[Errantparabola]

Ranger and errant what are your thought on number of scum in game faction wise?

Errant, scum. Went from buddying up to Titus and voting Ranger to buddying up to Ranger and voting me.
Ranger, scummy. Less sure about this. I would want to re-read before voting here.

Dom, Yakko, Flubber. Possible scum in this group. I have a feeling that none of this group has read the thread carefully or kept up. Perhaps they are trying to fly under the radar. I could easily see Dom or Yakko bussing Wanderer.

ZZZ What can I say???

Firebringer, leaning town.
AI, Squirrelly, town.

texcat. answer my damn question. what do you think about yakko as vampire considering wanderer's terrible townread on them?

Ranger and errant what are your thought on number of scum in game faction wise?

I have no idea about balance so I'm just going off of previous games I've played.
History Mafia and Bad Poets had 13 players and had 3 scum.
So this game has 16 players and would have 4 scum? Would it being multiball change that?
I think 6 scum seems like a bit of a leap. So I'm going to say it's 2v2

AI asked me for a reads list. I've made the majority of my reads pretty clear in my last post I think, other than the candidates for the last werewolf.
Vampire: Texcat or maybe Yakko (texcat might change if they wouldn't stop dodging my goddamn question
Werewolf: ZZZX and Dom are not players we want in LYLO. Fire's D4 play is not looking too good now. I could lynch any of them.

And how did Ranger suddenly turn into conftown? Errant was voting for her and suddenly overnight she has turned into conftown. Am I missing something again? I was still thinking that Ranger and Errant are on opposing scum teams.

I've stated my towncase on Ranger. What do you think about it?
AI, what do you think about my response on your thoughts on my towncase?

Because Errant is trying to buddy me.

Considering the only read I really agree with you on is texcat, and that is subject to change, that would be a pretty half-assed attempt at buddying, soldier
I assume that Fire is buddying you too?

AI, early reads for Ranger are null. That's what I meant when I said I was scumreading Ranger for different reasons.
So what else do you have that suggests Ranger for scum?

[Errantparabola]

I also don't see how you think that Ranger scumreading me and me townreading Ranger is weird, AI. It just means that Ranger is wrong.

[TheDominator37]

Stop poking the dragon!!!

All I can do Is phone post because some reason my browser hates ms on this stupid Mac.

I am staying on flubber .

#all my posts are on mobile

[TheDominator37]

Holy shit, I only have 24 posts in this game.

I need more fluff posts to bring this to my stellar reputation of my usual games.

Not sure what I think of this

[TheDominator37]

They were

[TheDominator37]

Here is my current read list.

Read List D4 V1

Squirrelly

: actively scumhunting, so town

Ranger

: the evil mastermind; it is easy to be deceived by her, she knows how to be convincing as scum (but there are some tells)

Yakko

: seems lurking and opportunistic, so scum-leaning

Firebringer

: fence-town, don't make me regret this

Flubbernugget

: possible scum buddy with Albert B... but uncertain

Errantparabola

: considers Ranger town... weird, but seemed to be actively scumhunting

AlwaysInnocent

: killed two scum and three bears with his own hands => confirmed town

ZZZX

: lots of empty promises

TheDominator37

: null, might genuinely be a bad player

Texcat

: deflected from Wanderer and overall suspicious behavior; her focus on Errant is strange

While I am scumreading Ranger, she may not be wrong about texcat after all. However, I need more information to be sure.

Lurk

[texcat]

texcat. answer my damn question. what do you think about yakko as vampire considering wanderer's terrible townread on them?

Why are you pretending that I haven't answered this already.

VOTE: Errant
This is the third day I've voted him.

And how did Ranger suddenly turn into conftown? Errant was voting for her and suddenly overnight she has turned into conftown. Am I missing something again? I was still thinking that Ranger and Errant are on opposing scum teams.

And it wouldn't surprise me to find another one of Wanderer's team on the tail endish of his wagon. Yakko and Dom.

Errant, scum. Went from buddying up to Titus and voting Ranger to buddying up to Ranger and voting me.
Ranger, scummy. Less sure about this. I would want to re-read before voting here.

Dom, Yakko, Flubber. Possible scum in this group. I have a feeling that none of this group has read the thread carefully or kept up. Perhaps they are trying to fly under the radar.

I could easily see Dom or Yakko bussing Wanderer.

ZZZ What can I say???

Firebringer, leaning town.
AI, Squirrelly, town.

[Errantparabola]

oh shit i'm sorry i totally missed that

[Errantparabola]

I assume that since I'm buddying ranger, you think ranger is town. So at least you have a few things right.
why did you feel the need to point out that you were voting me 3 days in a row?

[Squirrelly]

I'm not having a lot of time but I know I explained my scum read on Flubber before and firebringer is essential lurking more then normal for a blitz game.
Plus is you read wander ISO she calls firebringer scum then drops the read quickly with no reason, that's why I see firebringer scum.

I'm null with zzzx, Dom and texcat.
I disagree with AI's scum read on ranger.

[AlwaysInnocent]

6 scum out of 16 players is not a huge leap.

Consider the setup Jungle Republic, which has 5 scum out of 12 players. How do they balance it? By only allowing one nightkill per night. In Jungle Republic this is done by only granting Werewolves the power to nightkill, and give the Mafia an extra Mafia Goon. It may seem like the Town is very weak, but since the scum factions are also competing with each other, the Town is in a better position than you would think based on the number of scum alone.

Now consider this game. Until now only

one

person was killed each night. We know that there are (at least) two scum factions, so apparently something is keeping the nightkills minimal. It is not Titus, since Titus was killed on N2 and did not seem to influence the number of nightkills on N3. Recall that Pisskop said that this game had

unique nightkill mechanics

, which may have very well something to do with the "lack" of nightkills.

It may not even be a stretch to think that this game has 7 scum, but I would not go that far... yet.

NO WAY that this game has only 4 scum, though.