Fro99er what do you think of my 1529?
In post 1541, Fro99er wrote:There's zero chance this is a three person scum team. How do you get that?
I haven't been in a fifteen/sixteen player game in a long time, but I remember three scum being the norm. Two scum is certainly too little. But four scum seems like too many, given that we only have seven (or less) lynches. You think it's four scum? Because seven lynches to hit four scum doesn't seem right, even if we have a few power roles.
Fro99er wrote:Even less of a chance the three person scum team has two in the neighborhood. But it reads like you want us to suspect groupscum is in the neighborhood.
I never said that Wake or DeathNote must be scum. All I said is that we shouldn't discount that possibility. One scum in a three person neighborhood is probably the standard expectation, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if AP wanted to get tricky and add two scum to a neighborhood - that doesn't disrupt setup balance at all, so no reason for him not to.
When I see people incorrectly ruling them out, of course I'm going to challenge them. Should I not?
Fro99er wrote:DN is not scum with Davesaz, that's for sure. So you're saying Wake could be scum with Dave in a 3 person scum team?
Yeah.
In post 1543, Fro99er wrote:And I don't believe you really thought of treestump. I believe you are claiming you thought of treestump since that's what DN said earlier.
Like treestump never crossed my mind for a moment until DN said it because treestump is not normal and not even really used all that often as one of the non-normal roles in a normal game.
Fro99er, we have no completed games together. You know
nothing
about me. So what makes you think you can judge what I'm capable of thinking? "I didn't think of it, so you couldn't" is pretty insulting in a game where I've already gotten zero respect. Tree stump is literally the one role that cannot get lynched next to innocent child (and it doesn't lose value by getting revealed), and I recently saw a game (which I can't talk about) that has included it, so yeah it was on my mind.
In post 1544, Fro99er wrote:Also, you might be the kind of player to WK someone...
That was such a long drawn out defense of DN on D1. Like you knew he wasn't groupscum aligned and you used the evidence to fit an already known read that he's not groupscum.
I have WK'd once before... as an IC. Bussing a newbie partner just seems unethical.
It was long and drawn out because JarJar kept asking me questions about it, not because I knew he was town. Keep in mind that all I said was "Okay DeathNote is town" without giving reasoning and
then
JarJar provoked most of my other defensive posts.
I have a tendency to defend lynch-bait townies against bandwagons and I think this game is the same (pretty sure Dwlee and Zulfy are also town despite all the negative attention they've gotten). I think identifying lynch-bait townies is one of my only strengths as a scum hunter but I get attacked for it all the time and it's pretty frustrating. If you think I'm scum for defending a suspicious-looking townie, then you are basically saying "Wicked can't be right about this if I'm wrong" which is an unfair assumption to make.
In post 1559, Fro99er wrote:I think he was trying to diffuse things with you, which is what I'd probably do if I was scum and you were in the game.
Or... you know... I'm a human being trying to play a game (with the intent of having fun) and I felt like I had inadvertently been unfair/unethical to another human being...
I can't enjoy a game as much if I feel that someone dislikes or is angered by me.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. -Wayne Gretzky"
-Wickedestjr
